Originally posted by Rebel95
Yeah it is. Anakin would probably win a pure sabers duel, but it's definitely debatable. If you say otherwise you're either biased or just dumb.
I am inclined to believe massivly hindered to serious Anakin is an bigger gap than ANH->RotJ Vader, tbh. Especially when his feats(dominating Dooku) say so.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Vader: statlemates "shadow of former self" Obi-Wan,
I wouldn't call that a stalemate. I'd call it Kenobi holding his own for a while.
But the dialogue "your powers are weak old man", and "you should not have come back" plus Obi-Wan deciding the best option is to give up his life so Luke escapes, all seems to suggest that both combatants knew Vader was going to win.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wouldn't call that a stalemate. I'd call it Kenobi holding his own for a while.But the dialogue "your powers are weak old man", and "you should not have come back" plus Obi-Wan deciding the best option is to give up his life so Luke escapes, all seems to suggest that both combatants knew Vader was going to win.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
They were relative evenly matched.
We also have quotes like this
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful."
"This situation reflects Vader's greater mastery over himself and over the Force in the time since the Battle of Yavin, an improvement that is readily apparent in his lightsaber style during the duel with Luke Skywalker on Bespin. Vader has largely freed himself of pain through the Force in the years since the Battle of Yavin and, by practice with living opponents both willing and unwilling, he has advanced his lightsaber technique. Baron Orman Tagge serves as testament to Vader's technique by this era, precisely blinded in both eyes by Vader's blade in a duel. Vader is thus a far more formidable foe on Bespin than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star."
And he's even better with the force than the saber:
"Darth Vader is the embodiment of all evil. Under the guidance of Emperor Palpatine-aka Darth Sidious- Lord Vader controls the Galactic Empire with an iron fist. He's an unparalleled lightsaber combatant and an even more capable Force wielder."
Originally posted by Rebel95
Vader pulling a freighter out of the sky and tearing apart an ATAT are just two examples that I believe are beyond Anakin's ability, unless enraged and tapping into his raw power.I'm busy for the rest of the day. I'll respond tomorrow maybe
Neither of them are more impressive than moving a dreadnought at the speed of a missile, though.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
@Rebel95 All of these feats refer to the force, lel.
And they put ANH Vader only above Mustafar! Vader.
"This situation reflects Vader's greater mastery over himself and over the Force in the time since the Battle of Yavin, an improvement that is readily apparent in his lightsaber style during the duel with Luke Skywalker on Bespin. Vader has largely freed himself of pain through the Force in the years since the Battle of Yavin and, by practice with living opponents both willing and unwilling, he has advanced his lightsaber technique. Baron Orman Tagge serves as testament to Vader's technique by this era, precisely blinded in both eyes by Vader's blade in a duel. Vader is thus a far more formidable foe on Bespin than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star."
And the first quote Kenobi says his power has matured since he taught him, not since they last fought.