Originally posted by MythLord
Concession accepted. Objective confirmation that K'kruhk pulled the ship down through power. It wasn't a waste of time, nor a derailing of a thread, since I proved one of Az's points.You may move on.
Now, coming to the main point:
Originally posted by MythLordTurns out it isn't an author's opinion
It is a summary at the end of the comic itself
Summary statements often ignore the specifics of a development. To affirm this point, I will give two examples.
Example 1:
Sith Teneb Kel, a masterless apprentice hunting Exal at the direction of the Emperor, found her on a colony orbiting the ruined planet Lenico. He was unable to defeat her in a battle, and their fight led to the destruction of the colony and forced Teneb to crash-land on Lenico.
This is the summary of a major development in the comic titled "Blood of the Empire." It is an interpretation of the development in question and it ignored the specifics of that development.
Example 2:
He evaded death by infiltrating the mind of the Outlander, his most powerful opponent.
This is from the latest profile of Valkorion. An interpretation once again; overlooked the fact that Valkorion doesn't needs a physical vessel to sustain his presence.
So?
It very much overrides the unsupported notion of K'kruhk just manipulating the controls, yes.
I legitimately do not care about two idiotic TOR summaries, since I'm talking about the K'kruhk one specifically. It says his Force prowess is powerful enough to bring the ship down; nudging controls isn't powerful, bringing a ship down is. Next, the actual controls were being held and pulled up by the pilot, so the co-pilot's commentary is rendered moot:
As you can see clearly from the scan above:
1. The controls are being pulled up, no telekinetic grip holds them in place
2. The co-pilot is making up flimsy excuses since he has no idea what's going on, neither does the pilot
3. The co-pilot isn't even witnessing the controls, nor was he in charge of them, so his commentary is just speculation and thus unsupported
There's nothing else to it; K'kruhk brought it down through power, and nothing else.
Originally posted by MythLord
It very much overrides the unsupported notion of K'kruhk just manipulating the controls, yes.
I legitimately do not care about two idiotic TOR summaries, since I'm talking about the K'kruhk one specifically. It says his Force prowess is powerful enough to bring the ship down; nudging controls isn't powerful, bringing a ship down is. Next, the actual controls were being held and pulled up by the pilot, so the co-pilot's commentary is rendered moot:As you can see clearly from the scan above:
1. The controls are being pulled up, no telekinetic grip holds them in place
2. The co-pilot is making up flimsy excuses since he has no idea what's going on, neither does the pilot
3. The co-pilot isn't even witnessing the controls, nor was he in charge of them, so his commentary is just speculation and thus unsupportedThere's nothing else to it; K'kruhk brought it down through power, and nothing else.
Didn't the author comment how he wanted to portray K'kruhk more like the Jedi in the movie in terms of power?
EDIT: to respond to the rest of your comment:
1. We see that the pilot is trying to pull them up.
2. You mean that your opinion is more valuable than the opinion of trained pilots who come into contact with ships every day and logically know it's behavior? Quite convincing...
3. The co-pilot has already assessed the problem and is now speaking to the pilot so why does it matter he isn't witnessing the controls?
You're pretending that your opinion on it is more valuable than that of characters who should have extensive knowledge about ships and if K'krunk was really pulling down the ship then the pilots shouldn't have problems with the controls since he isn't manipulating the controls according to you.
I'm not pretending anything, DD. I'm noting the summary of the comic, which is authorized by the author and editor, tells a completely different story than a mook who doesn't even realize the situation.
He thinks it's the controls, when in reality we see them being pulled up, and later on the summary -- which is a more objective sources, clearly -- tells the true story. Besides, K'kruhk body-movements make no sense if he's operating a small bit of machineray...
Originally posted by MythLord
I'm not pretending anything, DD. I'm noting the summary of the comic, which is authorized by the author and editor, tells a completely different story than a mook who doesn't even realize the situation.He thinks it's the controls, when in reality we see them being pulled up, and later on the summary -- which is a more objective sources, clearly -- tells the true story. Besides, K'kruhk body-movements make no sense if he's operating a small bit of machineray...
We don't see them being pulled up, we see how the pilot is trying to pull them up, quite a big difference. Your summary only says that a ship can be pulled from the sky, if K'kruhk is manipulating the controls he's also pulling it from the sky only through a different way. K'kruhk isn't necessarely influencing the controls we see on screen but rather the part inside the real machinery of the ship (don't really know how to explain it properly).
Also didn't the author say that he wanted Jedi to use the Force in a smarter way instead of bluntly force?
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
We don't see them being pulled up, we see how the pilot is trying to pull them up, quite a big difference. Your summary only says that a ship can be pulled from the sky, if K'kruhk is manipulating the controls he's also pulling it from the sky only through a different way. K'kruhk isn't necessarely influencing the controls we see on screen but rather the part inside the real machinery of the ship (don't really know how to explain it properly).
Look at the angle of the controls -- they're being pulled up.
But the summary mentions the Force being powerful. Manipulating small parts of a machine isn't powerful... it's precise, but not powerful.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Also didn't the author say that he wanted Jedi to use the Force in a smarter way instead of bluntly force?
He said that in an interview made before he even started to work on the script, it's likely he's changed his mind.
Originally posted by MythLord
Look at the angle of the controls -- they're being pulled up.But the summary mentions the Force being [B]powerful
. Manipulating small parts of a machine isn't powerful... it's precise, but not powerful.He said that in an interview made before he even started to work on the script, it's likely he's changed his mind. [/B]
The angle of the controls? Most airplane controls work by pulling the controls toward you are pushing them from in order to make a ship/plane move up and down.
The controls aren't small, the 'joystick' you see on the picture is relatively small but the actual controls inside the ship aren't.
So you have an author who's more interested in letting Jedi use the Force in a smart way and you have the pilot saying that the controls aren't working properly.... 1 + 1 = 2 right?
Myth is correct, if K'Kruhk was merely manipulating the controls, or rather employing brains rather than brawn, the comic would not twice describe it as a display of power nor would K'Kruhk's gesture be so aggressive:
The pilot's remark about the controls could just as well be the vessel responding to K'Kruhk's grip, but its pretty obvious from the comic and supplementary summary that he forced it down through sheer might.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The angle of the controls? Most airplane controls work by pulling the controls toward you are pushing them from in order to make a ship/plane move up and down.
Yeah, and in this case they seem titled towards the pilot.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The controls aren't small, the 'joystick' you see on the picture is relatively small but the actual controls inside the ship aren't.
Manipulating them still wouldn't neccessarily be considered powerful, nor would it make sense for K'kruhk's movement for him to be picking at machinery.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
So you have an author who's more interested in letting Jedi use the Force in a smart way and you have the pilot saying that the controls aren't working properly.... 1 + 1 = 2 right?
And you also have a summary statement authorized by said author, plus the editor, saying K'kruhk was powerful enough to pull it down and the general movement of the Force K'kruhk was performing clearly signaling he's anchoring something down... I take that over a co-pilot yelling: "OMG, da controlz!" when he has no idea what's going on and pre-concept-and-story-writting statements.
1+1 indeed...
As much as I'd like to take the word of an author on a story he didn't even write yet, or the word of a mook who really has no idea what the situation is, I'd rather look at the objective statement and legitimate logic following what the Whipid did.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Myth is correct, if K'Kruhk was merely manipulating the controls, or rather employing brains rather than brawn, the comic would not twice describe it as a display of power nor would K'Kruhk's gesture be so aggressive:[b]
The pilot's remark about the control's could just as well be the vessel responding to K'Kruhk's grip, but its pretty obvious from the comic and supplementary summary that he forced it down through sheer might. [/B]
Thank you, Beni. 🙂
Dooku, in particular, since K'kruhk was getting dominated by Vos, who is inferior to Asajj, who got dominated by Tyranus.
Mace and Anakin since they are canonically ahead of him.
If we're playing holistics, then even Jedi Council Masters like Shaak, Obi or Fisto are worthy of getting scaling(since holistically they are greater than K'kruhk).