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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD😆
50/50 (I personally rank HoT on par with FOTJ Luke)HoT had Jedi Master level abilities when he just a padawan. One can only imagine how powerful he would have been at his prime.
Orgus Din had Count Dooku level Force abilities but got punked by Bengel Morr, who in turn got punked by HoT. And these events happened much earlier in HoT's story arc.
Also, Luke's ABH manipulation feat (while extremely impressive) isn't valid for his combat prowess because that is a feat of full concentration without emphasis upon complex matters such as combat. It just shows that how deep Luke was attuned with the Force due to his extraordinary Midichlorian count.
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Originally posted by MythLord
Well that was fun. I'd like to see what LeG has to say about these revelations. 🙂
However, you cannot use it to scale other characters in the aspect of Force powers. Azronger's scaling effort remains flawed and contested regardless of it.
To give you an example, a Jedi Master in PT era was able to replicate Satele Shan's ability to block the blade of a Lightsaber with bear hands but his Telekinetic abilities were (below) average.
Similarly, several other examples can be cited.
What Jedi Master is that? The only one I know of that has average TK, but superb Tutaminis that rivals/surpasses Shan's is Corran Horn.
But anyways, your example is flawed. Because we're not comparing two different powers -- Tutamins and Telekinesis; we're comparing one power: telekinesis. To give you an example: A beats B in a contest of pure strength, but B beats C in a contest of pure strength, so A beats C. Now ABC logic is flawed, but only in certain situations.
In situations where it's pure power against pure power -- a telekinetic struggle if you will -- then it's perfectly valid to measure it based on a conclusive hierarchy. ABC logic only falls out the window when we look at skillsets, or advantegous factors that play into battles, but in the case of dominating someone with telekinesis that doesn't apply since TK for Dooku is TK for Vos, which is TK for K'kruhk.
Originally posted by MythLord
What Jedi Master is that? The only one I know of that has average TK, but superb Tutaminis that rivals/surpasses Shan's is Corran Horn.
Halcyon's TK abilities were (below) average, not even average.
Originally posted by MythLord
But anyways, your example is flawed. Because we're not comparing two different powers -- Tutamins and Telekinesis; we're comparing one power: telekinesis. To give you an example: A beats B in a contest of pure strength, but B beats C in a contest of pure strength, so A beats C. Now ABC logic is flawed, but only in certain situations.
In situations where it's pure power against pure power -- a telekinetic struggle if you will -- then it's perfectly valid to measure it based on a conclusive hierarchy. ABC logic only falls out the window when we look at skillsets, or advantegous factors that play into battles, but in the case of dominating someone with telekinesis that doesn't apply since TK for Dooku is TK for Vos, which is TK for K'kruhk.
TK versus TK scenario rarely happens, I only recall a single example of this (i.e. Anakin Skywalker versus Obi-Wan Kenobi). In majority of combat situations, the aforementioned statement is true.
If Quinlan Vos overwhelmed K'Kruhk with his Telekinetic abilities in an instance, then this implies failure of K'Kruhk's defensive abilities. Therefore, K'Kruhk's defensive abilities are to be questioned. This is how a Force-user can gain upper hand over a superior foe sometimes (e.g. Tol Braga versus Hero of Tython).
I maintain that that scaling effort is flawed.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Originally posted by Ursumeles
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In a confrontation, defensive applications come into play against offensive applications.TK versus TK scenario rarely comes into play, I only recall a single example of this (i.e. Anakin Skywalker versus Obi-Wan Kenobi). In majority of situations, the aforementioned statement is true.
If Quinlan Vos overwhelmed K'Kruhk with his Telekinetic abilities in an instance, then this implies failure of K'Kruhk's defensive abilities. Therefore, K'Kruhk's defensive abilities are to be questioned.
I maintain that that scaling effort is flawed.
That doesn't really change my point at all, however. TK is TK, even if used in offense or defense, the magnitude and potency would be the same just be used for different purposes. It's possible Vos caught K'kruhk by surprise, but given how it happens twice throughout the fight, it seems to be more a pattern than a fluke. And Dooku's domination over Vos needs no confirmation: between objective sources stating it, and the length of the hold over Vos as well as his entire body shifting to Tyranus' will... it's pretty evident.
Potency is potency, whether used for attack or defense. I believe that there's even sources confirming ones offensive output in the Force is directly proportional to his defensive output. Besides, K'kruhk is hardly the only one we can use to scale for Dooku hurling ships.
For example he's canonically far ahead of the Season 3 Savage that threw a ship pretty casually; or his superiority over the Dreadnaught manipulating Anakin and his rivals/superiors Asajj Ventress/Obi-Wan Kenobi.