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Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD

It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...

Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.

So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD

Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.

No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.

Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.

I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

While I agree on flight speed not equalling combat speed, everything else you argue, the only alternative to you not being a lying troll is a hilarious inability to comprehend something pretty basic about comics. You're reminding me of Jon Jones and how him lying about Viagra being the reason he failed a drug test actually made it worse for him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.

And why does anybody responds to RealityWarper? Dude thinks Flash is slower than some random street leveler.

Idiocy at finest.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's a charge.

It doesn't matter what he did with his hands.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/charge

[B]B2 [ I or T ] to move forward quickly and violently, especially towards something that has caused difficulty or anger:
The bull lowered its horns and charged.
The violence began when the police charged (at) a crowd of demonstrators. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer attacked him from behind.

And why does anybody responds to RealityWarper? Dude thinks Flash is slower than some random street leveler.

Idiocy at finest.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I specifically pointed out that there was surprise involved. And anyway, it's not like he grabbed Nova by the back of the neck and simply towed him along, he had him from in front(by the throat) at arm's length and then threw him. If anything Surfer coming from behind, reversing direction, grabbing, and then throwing him without actually being seen is even more impressive than just rushing in from in front but just outside of max visual range at top speed and doing the job.

http://imgur.com/a/lqxPr#0

Its from front as well. Its simply a charge by front.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? He merely grabbed Nova by throat and threw him after surprising him.

http://imgur.com/a/lqxPr#0

Its from front as well. Its simply a charge by front.

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans? I'm not talking about him flying off within a Pico second. This is combat showings only.

"Well the bullets weren't meant for him so not a combat showing."
-Carver

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey you were the one who said he attacked from behind, I thought I was just remembering it wrong lol. Still an impressive showing of h2h combat speed however you slice it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What h2h showing? He basically grabbed him and threw him away. Its called a bullrush.

All you have to do is grab the guy by neck. It's not like he punched Nova several times.

It's not even that good of speed showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
All you have to do is grab the guy by neck. It's not like he punched Nova several times.

It's not even that good of speed showing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
"Well the bullets weren't meant for him so not a combat showing."
-Carver

😛

Originally posted by darthgoober
When you do that to someone who has super speed themselves and they don't even actually see you and instead think they got hit by some kind of energy blast... it's impressive. Keep in mind, I'm not saying it's the most impressive combat speed feat out there, just that it exist and is impressive. Now I don't expect YOU to admit that it's impressive because it totally contradicts your stance on Surfer's combat speed, but to the unbiased... it's noteworthy at the very least.

Otherwise Nova had no trouble tracking Surfer or hitting him. If Surfer was really so fast that Nova couldn't even see him, that wouldn't happen.

I'm biased and you're not? Right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nova was surprised. That's why it is called a sucker attack.

Otherwise Nova had no trouble tracking Surfer or hitting him. If Surfer was really so fast that Nova couldn't even see him, that wouldn't happen.

I'm biased and you're not? Right.

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.

It certainly didn't happen because Surfer was faster in combat.

If you are unaware, World mind was not at full capacity in that fight. So no, you can't extrapolate it to further level.

And yet, you give Surfer 8-9/10 against Superman. Certainly not biased.

😂

Originally posted by "Id"

Read OP.

Originally posted by "Id"

Read OP. It seems like Goober is the only one that gets it.

Originally posted by carver9
Read OP. It seems like Goober is the only one that gets it.

I think everybody gets you'll keep moving the goal post whenever it helps your case.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.