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Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD

It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...

Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.

So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD

Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.

No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.

Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.

I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

Im sorry who the phuck are you? I was talking to Carver. He created a thread. Posters responded. Disparaged said post. Was asked for an example yet provided none. Try knowing wtf youre talking about before addressing me next time sweetie.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A grab and throw is a h2h maneuver requiring multiple deliberate/coordinated muscle actions. It's not like just running into him with his board or anything like that, he grabbed him by the throat and threw him... that's not a bullrush.

Abhi is so envious of the Surfer. He knows this Pacifist has Superman's number.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im sorry who the phuck are you? I was talking to Carver. He created a thread. Posters responded. Disparaged said post. Was asked for an example yet provided none. Try knowing wtf youre talking about before addressing me next time sweetie.

I know you was talking to Carver but your whole post was addressed to anyone speaking about combat speed so I corrected you.

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.

Here is one instance. He incapacitates a team, and steals the wrist band before Qubit can notice.

Here is another instance.

Here he Super Accelerates

Surfer flew at Nova from the front
Grabbed his throat
Flew in a brief distance and tossed him aside

Nova thought he was hit by an energy blast .

Does that count?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I know you was talking to Carver but your whole post was addressed to anyone speaking about combat speed so I corrected you.

you didn't correct shit. my post was addressed to carver not "anyone speaking about combat speed" so next time youre feeling insecure and decide to initiate operation bro shield by coddling carters nuts make sure you check the right person i.e. yourself. Not I, guy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you didn't correct shit.

I corrected your whole post which proves that you don't understand the difference between someone running (or flying) and someone fighting in hand-to-hand which implies an use of the limbs to strike while being grounded, that's clearly not the same thing.

Here is your fallacious post so quoting yourself:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same. Both require reaction time, perception and speed. So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches. American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does. But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them

I have bolded the part where you are targeting the whole "foreign cinema forum", especially people defending the DBZ side calling them "DBZtards"...

I corrected the fact that you are mistaking a character navigating through meteors and a character trading blow with another one for the same thing which is nonsensical at best.

my post was addressed to carver not "anyone speaking about combat speed"

Your post was adressed to:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same.

You couldn't be more clear or assuming what you said in your own post is too much.

so next time youre feeling insecure and decide to initiate operation bro shield by coddling carters nuts make sure you check the right person i.e. yourself. Not I, guy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insecure

Simple Definition of insecure

: not confident about yourself or your ability to do things well : nervous and uncomfortable

: not certain to continue or be successful for a long time

: not locked or well protected

If you look at the definition of the word insecure you can get that what you are implying doesn't fit.

I corrected your sayings about combat speed because I'm 100 % certain I know what I am talking about. I'm totally confident in my abilities of understanding those concepts.

On the other hand I can believe that all of your aggressiveness have biological reasons to be here as I've been very civil so far while you was very rude and obnoxious to people having a correct understanding of the combat speed.

Period. :=)

I wish you a very good day. 😎

Originally posted by "Id"
Combat showings.

Here is one instance. He incapacitates a team, and steals the wrist band before Qubit can notice.

Here is another instance.

Here he Super Accelerates

You're almost there. So how fast are the peeps that are unable to detect him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, surprised. That's why he couldn't react in time. If your entire argument is based on Surfer surprising Nova, you might as well give Deathstroke Flash level superspeed.

It certainly didn't happen because Surfer was faster in combat.

If you are unaware, World mind was not at full capacity in that fight. So no, you can't extrapolate it to further level.

And yet, you give Surfer 8-9/10 against Superman. Certainly not biased.

😂

World Mind was shouting out warnings to evade and erecting shields independent of Rich's orders in their fight, it's certainly telling that he wasn't able to in regards to the opening shot.

Yeah I give Surfer 8-9/10 under the conditions of a forum fight... but all hard fought. Forum fights favor versatile characters against bricks because unlike comics they actually USE their versatility and don't fight like dopes the way so often happens in comics. Against characters similar to Supes but lacking his inherent weaknesses(like Captain Marvel), I only give Surfer 6-7/10. And before you object to the idea that character's versatility is covered in the forum rules, just take a look at the clarifications for CIS. Despite the fact that Thor virtually never capitalizes on his versatility in fights against Hulk, the rules specifically points out that he'll use his exotic attacks against the Green Goliath. And that's not even the rule about PIS, that's the rule about CIS. You're free to disagree with the rules, but don't hate on me just because my opinions on fights are based on them.

How on Earth is this still being discussed?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
How on Earth is this still being discussed?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being surprised doesn't take away from your opponent moving too fast to be perceived when they attack you head on. It's not like turned around just as a punch to the face landed so he didn't know what happened. Surfer flew up, grabbed him, held him at arm's length, and threw him... and Nova never saw the guy. That's some freaking speed right there.

Of course it does. That's like the first rule of the comics.

Batman practically lives on that trope.

Yeah, that's some speed. Flying speed that is. Nobody said Surfer was slow in flying speed.

World Mind was shouting out warnings to evade and erecting shields independent of Rich's orders in their fight, it's certainly telling that he wasn't able to in regards to the opening shot.

Yes, because he wasn't operating at full capacity. Good luck extrapolating that.

Yeah I give Surfer 8-9/10 under the conditions of a forum fight... but all hard fought. Forum fights favor versatile characters against bricks because unlike comics they actually USE their versatility and don't fight like dopes the way so often happens in comics.

Hey, fanfiction version of characters are always fun.

And who said under a forum fight Surfer can use his versatility but Superman can't use his speed? You know like the Flash?

Because Superman would literally bash Surfer's head in the moment fight starts in a forum scenario like the one you prefer.

Against characters similar to Supes but lacking his inherent weaknesses(like Captain Marvel), I only give Surfer 6-7/10. And before you object to the idea that character's versatility is covered in the forum rules, just take a look at the clarifications for CIS.

That's just hilarious. You can't even show Surfer using weakness exploitation for once in the comics but somehow he uses it every time here.

In character is also in the rules you know.

Despite the fact that Thor virtually never capitalizes on his versatility in fights against Hulk, the rules specifically points out that he'll use his exotic attacks against the Green Goliath. And that's not even the rule about PIS, that's the rule about CIS. You're free to disagree with the rules, but don't hate on me just because my opinions on fights are based on them.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that. Thor fights in character. Surfer too. Superman too. That means the only showings that count are which have shown in the comics.

Not your make believe scenarios.

And Surfer would be lucky to get 2-3/10 against Superman. There you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. That's like the first rule of the comics.

Batman practically lives on that trope.

Yeah, that's some speed. Flying speed that is. Nobody said Surfer was slow in flying speed.

Yes, because he wasn't operating at full capacity. Good luck extrapolating that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey, fanfiction version of characters are always fun.

And who said under a forum fight Surfer can use his versatility but Superman can't use his speed? You know like the Flash?

Because Superman would literally bash Surfer's head in the moment fight starts in a forum scenario like the one you prefer.

That's just hilarious. You can't even show Surfer using weakness exploitation for once in the comics but somehow he uses it every time here.

In character is also in the rules you know.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that. Thor fights in character. Surfer too. Superman too. That means the only showings that count are which have shown in the comics.

Not your make believe scenarios.

And Surfer would be lucky to get 2-3/10 against Superman. There you go.

And yet MORE denial... Dude just look at the rule. I'm not asking that you simply take my word for it, go check it out for yourself. It's mentioned towards the end of the clarification of CIS section, I believe. Only in passing because the primary point is that Thor will bust out exotic attacks on Hulk quicker than he would against someone he doesn't know, but it is a specific example given. Which definitively shows that versatility is covered in the rules not only under PIS but also those of CIS/"in character" because Thor virtually never busts out exotic attacks against the Hulk in comics. You may hate that the rules support such a thing, but it is what it is. If you need even more proof beyond the rules themselves, just ask Pr.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So more denial... Ok I'll leave you to that lol.

So some more rubbish when you get beaten again. Good to know.

Freedom of choice means the freedom to choose wrong so have at it. As already stated, I'm not trying to convince you because the whole forum knows that such a thing is impossible, I was bringing up the feat for the benefit of the impartial.

If only it was a combat feat. Surprising someone with flight speed is not a combat feat, no matter how much you try to spin it.

And yet MORE denial...

😂

Dude just look at the rule.

I just did. And were you not the guy who threw a bitchy fit and left the forum for five years because the rules didn't work as per your fantasies?

I'm not asking that you simply take my word for it, go check it out for yourself. It's mentioned towards the end of the clarification of CIS section, I believe. Only in passing because the primary point is that Thor will bust out exotic attacks on Hulk quicker than he would against someone he doesn't know, but it is a specific example given.

But in character as Thor has used exotic attacks against Hulk in the past. he wouldn't go for transmutation or Soul suck as those are not in his character and neither does he uses those so often. That's why I don't argue for Superman to speedblitz every character into oblivion even though I certainly can and its far more in character for Superman to do.

Which definitively shows that versatility is covered in the rules not only under PIS but also those of CIS/"in character" because Thor virtually never busts out exotic attacks against the Hulk in comics. You may hate that the rules support such a thing, but it is what it is. If you need even more proof beyond the rules themselves, just ask Pr.

I don't hate the rules. You certainly do though.

And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.

👆

Goober really gets into abhi's head.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So some more rubbish when you get beaten again. Good to know.

If only it was a combat feat. Surprising someone with flight speed is not a combat feat, no matter how much you try to spin it.

Hey continue with your crusade against Surfer if you want, those without such an agenda can clearly see the validity of the feat...

Originally posted by cdtm
It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

I just did. And were you not the guy who threw a bitchy fit and left the forum for five years because the rules didn't work as per your fantasies?

And I was right wasn't I? They do in fact say that Thor will use exotic attacks against the Hulk which mean that you were outright wrong when you made this foolish statement...

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that.

...right? 😄 On a separate note, you have a tendency to get REALLY angry for virtually no reason. You gotta learn to channel that negativity in an adequate fashion or it's gonna give you an ulcer.

Also no, those weren't the circumstances of my departure. I'm actually not allowed to go into the specifics because doing so would involve questioning mod rulings, accusing Mods of bias, and revealing PMs from mods(all of which are against the rules and are ban worthy offenses)... but no, you've heard wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But in character as Thor has used exotic attacks against Hulk in the past. he wouldn't go for transmutation or Soul suck as those are not in his character and neither does he uses those so often. That's why I don't argue for Superman to speedblitz every character into oblivion even though I certainly can and its far more in character for Superman to do.

Hey your attempts to put twists on the rules are unimportant, the important thing is that after all this time you finally have to acknowledge that characters using their versatility IS protected by forum rules(which you've repeatedly tried to deny up till now).

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't hate the rules. You certainly do though.

And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.

👆

Abhi, I'm the one who actually cites and debates according to the forum rules, you're the one who rails against them and outright refuses to follow them at times. You accusing ME of hating them is... well nonsensical is the most fitting word that springs to mind that doesn't involve bashing.

Also, before you go one of your quest to twist things... there's been specific instances of the mods dismissing the notion of Supes speedblitzing with lethal intent in the first second of battle, so it's silly for you to try to go there. If you think the rules extend that far, ask Pr.

Now since this convo has obviously run it's course, go ahead and do your little rant to get the last word in and you and I can let other folks get back to the topic at hand.

Luther Strode has some pretty fun feats of speed. IMO it's pretty pointless arguing the speed of heralds and above, it's all completely subjective and unquantifiable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey continue with your crusade against Surfer if you want, those without such an agenda can clearly see the validity of the feat...

Crusade? Oh you drama queen.

Yeah, like you aren't full of shit and agendas of your own. Now flight speed combined with surprise equals combat speed.

And I was right wasn't I? They do in fact say that Thor will use exotic attacks against the Hulk which mean that you were outright wrong when you made this foolish statement...

Exotic attacks generally means lightning and storms which he has used in past against Hulk. Not godblast and soul suck.

You are a complete buffoon at this point.

...right? 😄 On a separate note, you have a tendency to get REALLY angry for virtually no reason. You gotta learn to channel that negativity in an adequate fashion or it's gonna give you an ulcer.

You think this is me being angry? You really haven't seen me being even annoyed.

Also no, those weren't the circumstances of my departure. I'm actually not allowed to go into the specifics because doing so would involve questioning mod rulings, accusing Mods of bias, and revealing PMs from mods(all of which are against the rules and are ban worthy offenses)... but no, you've heard wrong.

Cry me a river. See if I care.

Hey your attempts to put twists on the rules are unimportant, the important thing is that after all this time you finally have to acknowledge that characters using their versatility IS protected by forum rules(which you've repeatedly tried to deny up till now).

Haha, what? When did I say characters wouldn't use their versatility? I always said they would, just in character and what is shown in comics. So no weakness exploitation and speedblitzing right out of bat for Surfer and Superman as its not in character.

You are acting like I'm solely making Surfer the scapegoat for this.

Abhi, I'm the one who actually cites and debates according to the forum rules, you're the one who rails against them and outright refuses to follow them at times. You accusing ME of hating them is... well nonsensical is the most fitting word that springs to mind that doesn't involve bashing.

Ha, like that's even close to being near truth.

But hey, you can always try to post Surfer using weakness exploitation.

Also, before you go one of your quest to twist things... there's been specific instances of the mods dismissing the notion of Supes speedblitzing with lethal intent in the first second of battle, so it's silly for you to try to go there. If you think the rules extend that far, ask Pr.

But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said anything about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.

Now since this convo has obviously run it's course, go ahead and do your little rant to get the last word in and you and I can let other folks get back to the topic at hand.

😂

Obviously its the time for the usual running away routine. Until next time Darthrunner.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crusade? Oh you drama queen.

Yeah, like you aren't full of shit and agendas of your own. Now flight speed combined with surprise equals combat speed.

Exotic attacks generally means lightning and storms which he has used in past against Hulk. Not godblast and soul suck.

You are a complete buffoon at this point.

You think this is me being angry? You really haven't seen me being even annoyed.

Cry me a river. See if I care.

Haha, what? When did I say characters wouldn't use their versatility? I always said they would, just in character and what is shown in comics. So no weakness exploitation and speedblitzing right out of bat for Surfer and Superman as its not in character.

You are acting like I'm solely making Surfer the scapegoat for this.

Ha, like that's even close to being near truth.

But hey, you can always try to post Surfer using weakness exploitation.

But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said anything about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.

😂

Obviously its the time for the usual running away routine. Until next time Darthrunner.

See now you're just outright spreading misinformation... Alright, I guess I'll just address those specifics and leave the rest alone.

First off, you've absolutely tried to act as though characters using their versatility wasn't protected by forum rules. You even went so far as to say that Super Speed was the only power that was covered by them...

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said it only applies to the speed as it has been specifically mentioned. Its not my place to modify it.

Second, ask Pr if Supes pulling max speed blitzes right out of the gate, he's spoken on the matter plenty after all. Yes Supes will use his speed in a fight, but lightspeed blitzing doesn't really qualify. In fact, the other example in the CIS clarification was about Supes NOT using his speed right out of the gate. Look at it again if you need to.

Third...

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said any thing about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.

... YOU literally JUST said that...

Originally posted by abhilegend
And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.

Originally posted by darthgoober
See now you're just outright spreading misinformation... Alright, I guess I'll just address those specifics and leave the rest alone.

Misinformation?

crylaugh

First off, you've absolutely tried to act as though characters using their versatility wasn't protected by forum rules. You even went so far as to say that Super Speed was the only power that was covered by them...

If you were not so buffoonish, I'd laugh at you. But instead I just pity at your reading comprehension.

xamples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the_CHARACTER, not the_POWERSET.

It's not that Thor would go all exotic on Hulk because he just does in all matches. It specifically says that due to his experience he would do sooner to Hulk. Not that he would go right out with godblast.

It's due to experience. Not that versatility is protected by rules. It specifically shits on your agenda as Superman is an unknown to Surfer, he wouldn't go exotic on Superman. Just as Superman wouldn't go all out on Surfer.

Aka, you just killed your whole argument.

Second, ask Pr if Supes pulling max speed blitzes right out of the gate, he's spoken on the matter plenty after all. Yes Supes will use his speed in a fight, but lightspeed blitzing doesn't really qualify.

Neither does weakness exploitation. Mind you, Superman has blitzed far more than Surfer has used weakness exploitation which is not that difficult as Surfer has never done that.

Third...

... YOU literally JUST said that...

Someone teach this buffoon to learn about sarcasm.