Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yeah, I'll go Galen as well. Still vastly more powerful and should at the very least be around Maul's level in regards to augmentation and technical skill.
Once I noticed it was Galen as of his encounter with Shaak, I edited tho.
Still think Galen takes Force, but not sabers.
"The apprentice lunged for the cable, but the Core jumped PROXY's body well out of reach. "Good-bye, master."
PROXY transformed into Obi-Wan Kenobi and activated the lightsaber that had been hanging at his side. The droid's opening move was much faster than any he had attempted before-as of course it should have been, the apprentice realized when he blocked the blow barely in time. The Core had access to all the same records he did; its knowledge of Jedi lightsaber techniques might be unsurpassed in the entire galaxy.
But knowledge was not the same thing as experience, just as clever technology wasn't the same thing as the Force. He was confident that he could defeat the Core in PROXY'S body at a fair fight.
As he jumped up onto a nearby processor to avoid another expert swing, he saw the Core's other droid servants closing in. Fair fights were as rare as Jedi in the galaxy these days. He would have to even the odds somewhat.
Reaching down for a cable, he sent a wave of Sith lightning through it. Lights flared and junctions sparked. The Core's processors shrieked at the sudden overload, and so did its servants. PROXY was one of them-and unlike the others, he was physically attached to the systems his master was assaulting, so the effects of the energy surge on him were severe. The hologram dissolved into static and his arms came up. Static electricity crackled from every joint.
The apprentice cut the current before he could fry his friend's brain completely. There had to be some of PROXY left in there, somewhere, and he would rather fight an unfair fight than destroy that remnant.
Leaping down from the processor, he swung his lightsaber at the cable, but the Core regained its concentration in time to put PROXY'S body in the way. Their lightsabers clashed, and the apprentice gave ground to think what next to do.
PROXY'S holographic skin re-formed in the shape of Qui-Gon Jinn. The long-dead Jedi Master's fighting style, however, was all the Core, with swift efficient lunges and more-than-adequate blocks. The Core kept its body and blade carefully between the apprentice and the cable. Every trick he tried to get past them the Core anticipated and forestalled.
The red-eyed droids recovered as quickly as PROXY and soon joined in the fray. He knocked them down in droves with telekinesis, but they inevitably got up again or were replaced by more from outside. Still weary from his efforts with the Star Destroyer, he saved each big push until the very last moment, to spare his energies.
And ultimately the droids weren't his enemy. He had to find a way to strike at the Core directly, without hurting PROXY. Sith lightning was out of the question, but there were other ways.
He leapt out of PROXY'S reach and into the clamoring mob of slave droids. Swinging his lightsaber wildly around him, he cut cables and sliced through processors with abandon. Surges of electronic thought seared the air as droids rushed him all at once. He blew them back and thrust his blade deep into a bank of processors.
"Does that hurt?" he asked the Core.
"I do not feel pain," said the Core through PROXY'S vocoder, "and my thoughts encompass the entire planet. Nothing you accomplish in this room will make a difference."
PROXY leapt over the droids, shaped this time like Anakin Skywalker. The apprentice met him in midair and attempted to drive him back. The cable danced behind the droid, never snagging or looping forward. The Core used PROXY's internal repulsors to keep it securely out of his reach.
His physical reach. No doubt the Core would expect him to use telekinesis to break the link, so he hadn't even tried that. But there were more indirect ways of attacking. The cable traced a sinuous path over the heads of the slave droids. It didn't take long to find a big one in exactly the right spot. It was even easier to grip it with the Force and squeeze it until its power supply erupted.
The explosion boomed through the massive chamber. PROXY reeled backward in midparry. The apprentice hung back, waiting to see what effect the explosion might have. Holograms flickered and fled across his friend's fluid exterior. Famous figures came and went, human and alien, light, dark, and all shades in between. Again he saw himself flash into being and was intensely glad that someone else soon superseded him. He had had enough of fighting himself for one lifetime.
The smoke cleared. PROXY straightened, and his image settled into the form of a Zabrak with eyes full of hate and numerous horns sprouting from his red-and-black skin. His robes were midnight. His leer was full of bloodlust.
The apprentice was taken momentarily aback. He had never seen that training module before. Either it had been dredged up from the depths of PROXY'S memory banks, or the droid had been saving it for just the right moment.
The Zabrak Sith grinned at him and drove forward through the parting sea of droids. None now came within a meter of the intact cable, so even that option was lost.
"You are weak," crowed the Core as it approached. "You will not sacrifice this droid even though letting me possess its memories means your downfall."
The apprentice didn't waste energy on speech, blocking each of the Core's moves and driving the droid a step backward. Frustration made him strong, even if he presently had no outlet for that strength. Bringing down the ceiling could kill both of them and probably wouldn't have a profound effect on the Core. If it really was distributed across the entire planet, it could be unkillable.
What was the point of being stronger than Darth Vader if he couldn't save his best friend?
"Violence feeds disorder," blared the Core as they fought "Violence is a threat to control. Violence will, therefore, be eliminated under my rule."
"Sounds like you've thought of everything." He barely blocked a combination of blows that he had never seen before, even when fighting his Master.
"There is not a contingency I have not explored," the Core said through the mouth of the Zabrak Sith.
"Oh no?"
The apprentice drove the android back with a series of fast strikes and acrobatic maneuvers. PROXY was nowhere near .is flexible as him and had none of the Force-enhanced reflexes he possessed. The droid could never beat him at a lightsaber duel, even with the Core behind it. He fought with a single-minded intensity-one designed to empty his mind of all thought and feel ing. The being he was fighting was neither Sith nor PROXY. It was the Core-and the time had come to stop playing with it.
They froze with lightsabers locked and scraping together, human strength warring with droid's, brown eyes fixed on red photoreceptors.
"Submit or die," said the Core.
"There is a third option." With a sudden, twisting move, he brought his saber down into PROXY'S chest and slashed deep, right through the droid body. "I could beat you."
The red eyes flickered. For an instant just enough of the Core remained in PROXY to register surprise and then extreme alarm. The hologram sparked and faded, revealing the terrible, smoking wound in the droid's chest. The apprentice removed the blade, satisfied that his blow had done the job.
The Core spun the body around, reaching in vain for the open hatch from which the severed cable protruded. Then all control left the metal limbs and PROXY dropped heavily to the floor.
It was already over, but the Core still had some fight left. Hundreds of slave droids converged on the apprentice, hoping to crush him under their combined weight before he could reach the nearest processor. He blew them away with a single push and slashed open the processor's casing. Ignoring the hot metal edges, he pushed his left hand into the workings inside.
Lightning surged through him and all the processors making up the Core's network. He projected all his anger and grief into the surge, and the strength of it surprised even him. For PROXY, for Juno, for Kota, and for himself he fried the planetwide mind into slag.
Slave droids jerked about in a ghastly dance. The sound they made was awful to hear, the dying scream of a mind that had never before had to contemplate its own demise. It should have been immortal. It had planned to rule the galaxy. Now it was just a tangle of wires experiencing a brainstorm that would inevitably destroy it.
"Order!" it roared and raged. "Order must be restored!"
Galen more powerful? In his prime it's even a discussion let alone at this point in time. Maul > Obi-Wan >> Grand Inquisitor < Seventh Sister/Fifth Brother/... < Season 1 Kanan with the Seventh Sister & Fifth Brother having raised a 100m temple and Kanan was throwing around starfighter sized rocks at a extremely fast speed so please tell me how Galen is superior to the guy that's litterally leagues ahead of these characters?
In terms of lightsaber skill Maul's clearly superior, being considered good and having learned all 7 forms is all nice but what did it actually get him? Defeating a Vader that apparently misjudged him as he's defeating Starkiller in TFUII (who's at least Galen's equal) and even then Legends ANH Vader isn't that impressive as a lightsaber duelist that losing to him is going to put him above Maul.
You missed this part lol:
Reaching down for a cable, he sent a wave of Sith lightning through it. Lights flared and junctions sparked. The Core's processors shrieked at the sudden overload, and so did its servants. PROXY was one of them-and unlike the others, he was physically attached to the systems his master was assaulting, so the effects of the energy surge on him were severe. The hologram dissolved into static and his arms came up. Static electricity crackled from every joint.
The apprentice cut the current before he could fry his friend's brain completely.
And no darling, a brief exchange with a imitation of Maul's fighting style would not equip him for the real thing in the slightest.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Galen more powerful?
Yes.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
In his prime it's even a discussion let alone at this point in time.
Not at all. Maul would likely be ragdolled.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Maul > Obi-Wan >> Grand Inquisitor < Seventh Sister/Fifth Brother/... < Season 1 Kanan with the Seventh Sister & Fifth Brother having raised a 100m temple and Kanan was throwing around starfighter sized rocks at a extremely fast speed so please tell me how Galen is superior to the guy that's litterally leagues ahead of these characters?
First off, this is SoD Maul. Secondly, Obi Wan's superiority was noted to be overall and not in the Force so you're >> between him and the GI is not confirmed or if you yourself were referring to overall then you should know that that it's nearly irrelevant aside from establishing that it's likely that their is indeed a gap.
Even if this was Rebels Maul you're scaling is off.
GI > S1 Kanan. GI > S1 FB/SS.
GI ? S2 Kanan. GI ? S2 FB/SS.
S2/S1 Kanan > FB/SS based on comparative feats at this point.
Obi Wan Kenobi AFTER taking up residence on Tatooine ( because they were referring to a scenario that if Kenobi was found that Vader would need to be called in to deal with him ) is greater as an overall combatant then the GI but we don't know to what extent he would be more powerful as a Force user. We also don't know how much Kenobi has grown himself as a Force user if at all.
Rebels Maul > SoD Maul > TCW Kenobi as a Force user.
At most you can say it's likely that Maul > Kenobi > GI => Kanan. But even then that's assuming Kenobi didn't bridge the gap between his and Maul's last encounter.
Or if you want a confirmed scale. Maul > SS who helped to raise a 100 meter temple and hold a small ship in place.
If you use the former this would be extremely impressive based on the asteroid feat but still not past the scale of feats Galen was accomplishing not long after Felucia.
As I said above though that's irrelevant considering it's SoD Maul who has nothing on that scale.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You missed this part lol:Reaching down for a cable, he sent a wave of Sith lightning through it. Lights flared and junctions sparked. The Core's processors shrieked at the sudden overload, and so did its servants. PROXY was one of them-and unlike the others, he was physically attached to the systems his master was assaulting, so the effects of the energy surge on him were severe. The hologram dissolved into static and his arms came up. Static electricity crackled from every joint.
The apprentice cut the current before he could fry his friend's brain completely.
And no darling, a brief exchange with a imitation of Maul's fighting style would not equip him for the real thing in the slightest.
I am aware of that section. Considering the Core didn't have any problems continuing to send waves of droids and PROXY continued to fight with the same level of competence it doesn't seem likely that the damage inhibited his capabilities. Especially given the Core itself was the one that was controlling PROXY's movements and not PROXY himself. The effects being severe in that moment wouldn't change that.
It would allow him familiarity with how Maul fights.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaProof PROXY was fighting at the same level of competence?
I am aware of that section. Considering the Core didn't have any problems continuing to send waves of droids and PROXY continued to fight with the same level of competence it doesn't seem likely that the damage inhibited his capabilities.
Especially given the Core itself was the one that was controlling PROXY's movements and not PROXY himself.Irrelevant, any damage done to PROXY is going to limit his abilities to fight regardless.
The effects being severe in that moment wouldn't change that.Seeing as he has no means of repairing the damage, no.
It would allow him familiarity with how Maul fights.Great argument, but no. Being exposed to a fraction of Maul's moves would not make him familiar with the real thing at all, assuming he retained anything of what he experienced.
So what we're left with is Marek "barely block[ing] a combination of blows" from a potentially severly damaged imitation Maul-bot with a dubious amp from the Core somehow being a better duelist than the real thing? Naw. And given he lacks better feats than stomping Qui-Gon, stomping Savage, pressing Sidious and ragdolling Kenobi, I guess he loses.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Proof PROXY was fighting at the same level of competence?Irrelevant, any damage done to PROXY is going to limit his abilities to fight regardless.
Seeing as he has no means of repairing the damage, no.
Great argument, but no. Being exposed to a fraction of Maul's moves would not make him familiar with the real thing at all, assuming he retained anything of what he experienced.
So what we're left with is Marek "barely block[ing] a combination of blows" from a potentially severly damaged imitation Maul-bot with a dubious amp from the Core somehow being a better duelist than the real thing? Naw. And given he lacks better feats than stomping Qui-Gon, stomping Savage, pressing Sidious and ragdolling Kenobi, I guess he loses.
The fact that it did as good or better against him then previous modules though admittedly that could be because he was unfamiliar with the Maul module or was growing tired from the constant assault by the other droids.
If he's physically damaged. The passage you quoted mentioned damage to his "brain" or processing unit. If the Core has direct control over PROXY then damage to that area isn't going to matter in regards to what he's capable of as a physical combatant.
Read above.
Why not? PROXY's modules are based off every record available to him and given the holo-recordings of Maul were readily available to members of the RoT line PROXY should be able to replicate how Maul fights near perfectly. And what reason would he have to forget that fight when he's able to recall the fighting style of modules he faced years ago ( I.E. Obi Wan Kenobi )?
Are you an idiot? Like legitimately, did you just ignore every part of the passage I bolded for you which clearly shows PROXY fighting past his normal capacity and Galen still fending him off with ease ending the fight as soon as he found a way to do so while also saving his friend? Get out of here.
Originally posted by Petrus
Well, we know he took the time to build a new double-bladed saber, so I doubt he did that without actually planning on using it or training with it. At the very least, he kept his skills honed.
Of course. I'm just saying we don't know how long he was stranded on Malachor. So he might have been a little out of shape when he was there.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
As much as he could while on the run and not having faced a real combatant, yes.
Given none of that stopped Ahsoka improving. And given he quickly recouperated from his 10 years of doing nothing between TPM and TCW, I really don't see much of an argument for him having significantly downgraded.
Witwer also pointed out him being older won't negate much due to the level of training he's had.