Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
How long have you been on KMC?Nah, only inferiors have to counter. People like Ant don't even need to deign to respond and they still win arguments.
That's just how it works here.
What does it matter?
Well that would only confirm how laughable it apparently is here.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
I could care less about my reputation, I put out an argument and now they'll have to counter it or doesn't it work that way? I can think of a few people that were yesterday hammering on the fact you actually need to counter it or else nobody takes it seriously.
They don’t “have” to do anything.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
That's why she lasted 50 seconds? It easy to take the last part of the fight and say it's a stomp while completely neglecting the rest of it.
1. Ahsoka fighting both the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother was stated to never be in any trouble at all in their fight. Then on Malachor when she had the help of the Eighth Brother, she wasn't making any headway against Ahsoka and she even Force pushes them both back several meters at once. So even with the aid of another inquisitor the Seventh Sister isn't a threat to Ahsoka and is still forced on the defensive.
2. Ahsoka landed physical and force blows numerous times on the Seventh Sister in that fight only to be distracted from pressing an offensive edge by either the Fifth Brother, or by Ahsoka just not giving enough of a **** and deactivating her weapons. She landed some pretty nice offbalancing blows numerous times in the fight and never followed up on them either due to interference or disinterest.
3. The Seventh Sister met Ahsoka's offensive 1v1 for 4 seconds while the fifth brother was being a derp, then got physically punted several meters back by Ahsoka smacking her upside the head with her pommel, then met Ahsoka's offensive for about six seconds before they dicked around and talked, then about seven seconds before the Fifth Bro came rushing back in and Ahsoka hurled her away with the Force, then she dueled her six more seconds and Ahsoka kicked her to her knees, then Ahsoka clowned her. So the longest the Seventh Sister actually met Ahsoka in combat at once was around seven seconds. (I mean shit, Season 1 Ahsoka has managed to engage with Ventress for a longer period of time than that)
4. The Seventh Sister has displayed herself to be complete physical and Force fodder to Darth Maul, much less Darth Vader, both of whom Ahsoka has seriously contended with. So Ahsoka has fought roughly evenly or held her own extremely well against two individuals who have or could have fodderized the Seventh Sister.
5. And lastly... there's the fact that Ahsoka was so confident and comfortable in that duel that she decided to deactivate her lightsabers and take on the Seventh Sister on to begin with. Clearly they weren't fighting even remotely evenly or on par if Ahsoka thought literally going at her unarmed was a good idea.
6. And of course there's the fact that when Ahsoka got serious, she destroyed the Seventh Sister in martial combat while unarmed and then proceeded to completely ragdoll her.
Stop pretending Ahsoka vs the Seventh Sister is anything but a mismatch and a stomp.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Anyway, the Seventh Sister contended more with Ahsoka than S5 Ahsoka ever did with Grievous and Ezra's grown significally since the point he duelled evenly with the Seventh Sister.
I mean shit, by your logic I could say "Barriss contended more with Anakin than Seventh Sister ever did with Ahsoka, and Ahsoka contended with Barriss while missing one of her lightsabers!"
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Alright, let's look at the rest of the context.1. Ahsoka fighting both the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother was stated to never be in any trouble at all in their fight. Then on Malachor when she had the help of the Eighth Brother, she wasn't making any headway against Ahsoka and she even Force pushes them both back several meters at once. So even with the aid of another inquisitor the Seventh Sister isn't a threat to Ahsoka and is still forced on the defensive.
Ahsoka wasn't a threat to Grievous either so your point is moot. Ahsoka gaining a momentarily edge against the Seventh Sister and Eight Brother does prove nothing, it's one specific moment in an entire fight.
2. Ahsoka landed physical and force blows numerous times on the Seventh Sister in that fight only to be distracted from pressing an offensive edge by either the Fifth Brother, or by Ahsoka just not giving enough of a **** and deactivating her weapons. She landed some pretty nice offbalancing blows numerous times in the fight and never followed up on them either due to interference or disinterest.
IIRC the Fifth Brother interfered once while they were in a bladelock, so how is that preventing Ahsoka from following up on something if there wasn't even an opportunity at that point? I also like how suddenly Ahsoka's "disinterested" because you can't find an excuse for her not finishing off the Seventh Sister faster than Grievous had her biting dust.
3. The Seventh Sister met Ahsoka's offensive 1v1 for 4 seconds while the fifth brother was being a derp, then got physically punted several meters back by Ahsoka smacking her upside the head with her pommel, then met Ahsoka's offensive for about six seconds before they dicked around and talked, then about seven seconds before the Fifth Bro came rushing back in and Ahsoka hurled her away with the Force, then she dueled her six more seconds and Ahsoka kicked her to her knees, then Ahsoka clowned her. So the longest the Seventh Sister actually met Ahsoka in combat at once was around seven seconds.
So now combat is restricted to only actual blade contact? Which doesn't even matter since I never claimed that the Seventh Sister actually matched Ahsoka, just that she'd put up a fight and held her own, which in the end she did despite that Ashoka's obviously solidly superior.
4. The Seventh Sister has displayed herself to be complete physical and Force fodder to Darth Maul, much less Darth Vader, both of whom Ahsoka has seriously contended with. So Ahsoka has fought roughly evenly or held her own extremely well against two individuals who have or could have fodderized the Seventh Sister.
Maul kicked her back and dominated the Inquisitors in general, doesn't mean that he could've fodderized her in seconds. There's a difference.
5. And lastly... there's the fact that Ahsoka was so confident and comfortable in that duel that she decided to deactivate her lightsabers and take on the Seventh Sister on to begin with. Clearly they weren't fighting even remotely evenly or on par if Ahsoka thought literally going at her unarmed was a good idea.
Who ever said that they were fighting on par? I said that the Seventh Sister contended with Ahsoka because she wasn't defeated in 10-20 seconds (or something in that area).
6. And of course there's the fact that when Ahsoka got serious, she destroyed the Seventh Sister in martial combat while unarmed and then proceeded to completely ragdoll her.
"When Ashoka got serious"? You got any prove for that besides your opinion?
Stop pretending Ahsoka vs the Seventh Sister is anything but a mismatch and a stomp.
If Ahsoka could so easily stomp the Seventh Sister than why didn't she? Because she didn't want to? Oh wait, she actually did want to defeat the Seventh Sister yet it only took her longer than the time it could be considered an aboslute stomp.
Ahsoka didn't have aid against Grievous... and Grievous never deactivated his lightsabers and proceeded to manhandle her unarmed.
No indeed, she had the Force (which Grievous was defensless against) to save her twice, even on one point in the very beginning of the fight. The Seventh Sister actually managed to match Ahsoka blade to blade for a few times while Ahsoka in S5 only managed to roll away from Grievous and keep him at bay by using the Force. Add to that the fact that Ezra's grow significally since then and it becomes even more clear who would put up the best performance.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Ahsoka wasn't a threat to Grievous either so your point is moot. Ahsoka gaining a momentarily edge against the Seventh Sister and Eight Brother does prove nothing, it's one specific moment in an entire fight.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
IIRC the Fifth Brother interfered once while they were in a bladelock, so how is that preventing Ahsoka from following up on something if there wasn't even an opportunity at that point? I also like how suddenly Ahsoka's "disinterested" because you can't find an excuse for her not finishing off the Seventh Sister faster than Grievous had her biting dust.
Nah, the time I'm referring to with Ahsoka being disinterested was when she kicked the Seventh Sister a few meters back onto her knees, and instead of following up that offensive, Ahsoka stood there and deactivated her lightsabers, which seems pretty disinterested to me.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
So now combat is restricted to only actual blade contact? Which doesn't even matter since I never claimed that the Seventh Sister actually matched Ahsoka, just that she'd put up a fight and held her own, which in the end she did despite that Ashoka's obviously solidly superior.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Maul kicked her back and dominated the Inquisitors in general, doesn't mean that he could've fodderized her in seconds. There's a difference.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Who ever said that they were fighting on par? I said that the Seventh Sister contended with Ahsoka because she wasn't defeated in 10-20 seconds (or something in that area).
And you aren't successfully contending with someone if they feel so unthreatened by you they literally decide to deactivate their weapons and let you charge them while they're unarmed.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
"When Ashoka got serious"? You got any prove for that besides your opinion?If Ahsoka could so easily stomp the Seventh Sister than why didn't she? Because she didn't want to? Oh wait, she actually did want to defeat the Seventh Sister yet it only took her longer than the time it could be considered an aboslute stomp.
If the Seventh Sister is really capable of contending with Ahsoka... how did that happen?
Given what transpired in that fight, I think you're the one who has more of a need to prove Ahsoka can't just trash the Seventh Sister than I do to prove she can... because she basically did.
And your notion of how Ahsoka wouldn't be willing to dick around and would absolutely go all out out against the Seventh Sister is completely contradicted by the fact that she disarmed herself at one point intentionally. Clearly she wasn't taking the fight too seriously.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
No indeed, she had the Force (which Grievous was defensless against) to save her twice, even on one point in the very beginning of the fight. The Seventh Sister actually managed to match Ahsoka blade to blade for a few times while Ahsoka in S5 only managed to roll away from Grievous and keep him at bay by using the Force. Add to that the fact that Ezra's grow significally since then and it becomes even more clear who would put up the best performance.
in all serious though, ahsoka takes this. Better force showings(blowing past post ocw ventress's defensive barrier,(even as of season 2) hurling grevious(as of season 3), throwing massive droids)
better skill showings(giving grevious a good fight, beating a less pre prime offee while massively pre prime herself and holding back, lasting vs post ocw ventress)
Better physicals(pushing back grevious(as of season 3), sending offee flying with a kick, disarming mid tcw anakin, holding maul in a bladelock(granted this was a few months after tcw, but still))