Originally posted by cs_zoltanWe can hope?
Did you guys drove DD9 into suicide?
Also
Originally posted by Emperordmb👆
Ahsoka's voice actress has the same involvement in TCW, and unlike FPJ is speaking to the character she actually voices rather than one with a close relationship to her character.
And as far as alignment goes, people have different interpretations of what happened within Rebels and what the implications of those events are, so it aligns specifically with your interpretation of Rebels.👆 👆
Your statement that you generally don't take voice actor statements seriously, and that they're validated when they're proven correct pretty much invalidates them as selective evidence, since you already admit they're rather unreliable, and that the point has to be proven independent of the quote to validate it.👆 👆 👆What you're trying to do is suggest that because you introduced an interpretation that aligns with his statement, that validates a statement that would otherwise carry no weight and allows you to use it to suggest that your interpretation is less contentious than you want it to be.
However since you blatantly stated such quotes are pretty untrustworthy and are only valid when proven, if someone can refute the validity of your interpretation on it's own (ie. without assuming the FPJ quote is valid), then that quote becomes invalid. All one has to do is disprove the notion that your interpretation can stand without the validity of that quote, and the quote becomes invalid.👆 👆 👆 👆Essentially, your argument has to stand on it's own two feet without that quote to prove that quote's validity, however if your argument stands on its own two feet without the quote then the addition of the quote does nothing because the point has already been proven, and if your argument doesn't stand on its own two feet then the quote also does nothing because it would in that case be invalid.
Basically, based on the nature of voice actor quotes and how sketchy they are, the FPJ quote adds nothing to your argument because it's only as valid or invalid as your argument is without the quote, and you asserting that quote as actual evidence is a disingenuous way of suggesting your argument is less challengeable than it actually is.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Author quotes are probably different than VA quotes tbh
Not really.
Taking Authors[do note that I mean Author's, not Directive Creators such as Filoni or Hidalgo]comments seriously is a terrible idea. Because since they're their creations(See Tom ***** creator/writer of DE and ToTJ) they will of course favor an original creation(Kun) over an already established character(Sheev) this coupled with the fact that due to the nature of Star Wars sourcebooks, Encyclopedia's, Fact Files and the like, which all contain - in most cases - interpretations of a character's power or an event that differ from the Author interpretation of said character's power and/or event. While you can argue that the author's interpretation>all else. I would say that an Author's opinion, shouldn't be considered too seriously.
Why? Well consider Tom Veitch, he was involved in ToTJ and DE, then afterwards what was he involved in? Nothing. So this tells us:
1 - He hasn't worked on a Star Wars series since the 80/90s
2 - His view of Kun is based on nothing but his own opinion(i.e bias)
3 - He has no knowledge of anything that has been said from the time his character's story ended.
So what we're left with is a a man telling us, without knowledge of how far Star Wars has progressed, how far other Sith has progressed( Because remember, this guy doesn't know about Sith like Vitiate, Revan, or Dooku, at least not anything beyond the movies), without knowledge of what several Star Wars Sources say about Sheev, both dated and new, that Exar Kun is superior or equal to Sheev. How should that be taken seriously?
I understand using quotes from Lucas, Filoni, Hidalgo, and people with direct involvement in the creative control group. And I am by no means trying to discourage you from using quotes from authors, go ahead and add it to your RT so others can decide their worth. But there are factors involved when taking an Author's and a Voice Actor's opinion seriously.
Just for reference. Donnie Yen, one of my favorite actors, said in an interview that he felt that he could have beaten Vader if Chirrut Imwe had the Force and a Lightsaber. So it just seems so silly, in my opinion, to take such comments so seriously without applying a lick of common sense. If you don't agree, thats fine. But perhaps you'll see where I'm coming from
Originally posted by Fated XtasyJust for reference. Donnie Yen, one of my favorite actors, said in an interview that he felt that he could have beaten Vader if Chirrut Imwe had the Force and a Lightsaber. So it just seems so silly, in my opinion, to take such comments so seriously without applying a lick of common sense. If you don't agree, thats fine. But perhaps you'll see where I'm coming from
True but when someone like FPJ (after having filmed all of S3, but before it aired) says something like he thinks Ahsoka would take Maul in a fight, then it's pretty obvious Maul won't be beating Ahsoka in S3. Also obvious that they weren't going to portray Maul as being at Vader level.
Originally posted by Fated XtasyI imagine Joker was referring more to instances were authors are talking solely about their own work, rather than the standing of their characters in mythos.
Not really.Taking Authors[do note that I mean Author's, not Directive Creators such as Filoni or Hidalgo]comments seriously is a terrible idea. Because since they're their creations(See Tom ***** creator/writer of DE and ToTJ) they will of course favor an original creation(Kun) over an already established character(Sheev) this coupled with the fact that due to the nature of Star Wars sourcebooks, Encyclopedia's, Fact Files and the like, which all contain - in most cases - interpretations of a character's power or an event that differ from the Author interpretation of said character's power and/or event. While you can argue that the author's interpretation>all else. I would say that an Author's opinion, shouldn't be considered too seriously.
Why? Well consider Tom Veitch, he was involved in ToTJ and DE, then afterwards what was he involved in? Nothing. So this tells us:
1 - He hasn't worked on a Star Wars series since the 80/90s2 - His view of Kun is based on nothing but his own opinion(i.e bias)
3 - He has no knowledge of anything that has been said from the time his character's story ended.
So what we're left with is a a man telling us, without knowledge of how far Star Wars has progressed, how far other Sith has progressed( Because remember, this guy doesn't know about Sith like Vitiate, Revan, or Dooku, at least not anything beyond the movies), without knowledge of what several Star Wars Sources say about Sheev, both dated and new, that Exar Kun is superior or equal to Sheev. How should that be taken seriously?
I understand using quotes from Lucas, Filoni, Hidalgo, and people with direct involvement in the creative control group. And I am by no means trying to discourage you from using quotes from authors, go ahead and add it to your RT so others can decide their worth. But there are factors involved when taking an Author's and a Voice Actor's opinion seriously.
Just for reference. Donnie Yen, one of my favorite actors, said in an interview that he felt that he could have beaten Vader if Chirrut Imwe had the Force and a Lightsaber. So it just seems so silly, in my opinion, to take such comments so seriously without applying a lick of common sense. If you don't agree, thats fine. But perhaps you'll see where I'm coming from