At best, you can make an argument for not believing Khem Val (which is stupid, because there are sources that back up his claims about Yn and Chabosh.)
The only source that should be up in the air is the Endar Spire feat, and even then, neither side can come up with shit.
Hord believers assume he did that because Khem Val said it, Hord non-believers believe he didn't because he was Khem Val's master, and he could be exaggerrating, however, neither side can actually say "That didn't happen".
It becomes a battle of assumptions that neither side can win, because neither side has proof.
Originally posted by JmanghanThere is:
At best, you can make an argument for not believing Khem Val (which is stupid, because there are sources that back up his claims about Yn and Chabosh.)
>What Khem Val says
>What other sources say
They are not related. You can post them in this thread, side-by-side, for everyone including yourself to see, and they won't support each other.
The only source that should be up in the air is the Endar Spire feat, and even then, neither side can come up with shit.Well on one hand, you want people to put their belief into something that doesn't have hard evidence. On the other hand, lots of people, in the absence of hard evidence, are choosing not to believe it. Guess which side is full of shit.
Hord believers assume he did that because Khem Val said it, Hord non-believers believe he didn't because he was Khem Val's master, and he could be exaggerrating, however, neither side can actually say "That didn't happen".Hord "non-believers" make the case that there is no evidence to support it happening, not that it definitely didn't or couldn't happen.
If someone who survived the holocaust told you that Hitler was an alien lizard sent from Saturn to enslave and murder the human race, would you believe his eye-witness testimony simply because "you can't prove he's wrong, yo!"? No? Then why do you expect people to take Khem Val's word at face value?
Also, congratulations. You have stumbled upon a basic logical principle. Just like I can't prove Hord definitely didn't do everything Val said, you can't make a case for it happening to begin with. Sort of like how you can't prove cats aren't secretly running the world.
When you can prove cats aren't part of a shadowy elite pulling all of the strings from behind the scenes, you let me know.
The only side that needs proof is the one making the claim. Can you explain to me, in plain terms, why you think someone who hasn't made a claim has to provide evidence?
It becomes a battle of assumptions that neither side can win, because neither side has proof.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
At best, you can make an argument for not believing Khem Val (which is stupid, because there are sources that back up his claims about Yn and Chabosh.)The only source that should be up in the air is the Endar Spire feat, and even then, neither side can come up with shit.
Hord believers assume he did that because Khem Val said it, Hord non-believers believe he didn't because he was Khem Val's master, and he could be exaggerrating, however, neither side can actually say "That didn't happen".
It becomes a battle of assumptions that neither side can win, because neither side has proof.
Originally posted by ILSYou're missing the point, which is, there ARE peoole saying that Hord should lose because there is no evidence to support him except eyewitness accounts.
There is:>What Khem Val says
>What other sources sayThey are not related. You can post them in this thread, side-by-side, for everyone including yourself to see, and they won't support each other.
Well on one hand, you want people to put their belief into something that doesn't have hard evidence. On the other hand, lots of people, in the absence of hard evidence, are choosing not to believe it. Guess which side is full of shit.
Hord "non-believers" make the case that there is no evidence to support it happening, not that it definitely didn't or couldn't happen.If someone who survived the holocaust told you that Hitler was an alien lizard sent from Saturn to enslave and murder the human race, would you believe his eye-witness testimony simply because "you can't prove he's wrong, yo!"? No? Then why do you expect people to take Khem Val's word at face value?
Also, congratulations. You have stumbled upon a basic logical principle. Just like I can't prove Hord definitely didn't do everything Val said, you can't make a case for it happening to begin with. Sort of like how you can't prove cats aren't secretly running the world.
When you can prove cats aren't part of a shadowy elite pulling all of the strings from behind the scenes, you let me know.
The only side that needs proof is the one making the claim. Can you explain to me, in plain terms, why you think someone who hasn't made a claim has to provide evidence?
So we should put him down because no one can PROVE he did those things? He should be weak and "featless" because a credible source (despite Khem Val being an eyewitness) hasn't come forward? No. Screw that.
Hitler being an Alien Wizard would be more probable in the SW Universe. You're comparing potatoes with carrots.
Our world isn't the world of SW.
In the argument against exaggeration, he's saying he saw it, whereas awhile back you quoted Anakin, who merely believes that Obi-Wan is that good. Khem Val claims to have seen it with his own two eyes.
But even without the eyewitness accounts, he has tons of accolades, and the defeat of Aloysius Kallig in single combat, who ragdolled Nox while he was way past his prime as a Sith Spirit.
Thats already crazy power right there, because he already had a few ghosts supporting him.
Anyway, the whole point of my argument is that people can't claim Hord isn't a powerhouse, or that he's weak just because they choose not to believe the hype and act like their word is law.
Meanwhile, you can still prove Hord is a powerhouse without Khem Val even thrown into the mix. #1 is beating Aloysius Kallig. #2 is Kreia and Avellone's quotes, among tons of other quotes claiming he's a legendary duelist. So now we have not 1, but 2 sources, one in-game and one that has position of authority irl in terms of SW.
Whether or not it was for the next game is irrelevant.
Originally posted by MythLordKhem Val isn't listing some unbelievable thing like that though.
I witnessed a potato grow legs and walk. BELIEVE ME!
He has listed something that is certainly plausible in the world of Star Wars.
You saying that you watched a potato growing legs isn't in the realm of realism in our world.
Nor is ILS' with his whole holocaust analogy.
You're missing the point, which is, there ARE peoole saying that Hord should lose because there is no evidence to support him except eyewitness accounts."Should lose" is synonymous with "doesn't have enough evidence to win" in these kinds of debates. If you want to be super technical, you could say that we don't have enough data to make a decision.
It's the Hord camp which insists he does have the data, even though he doesn't.
So we should put him down because no one can PROVE he did those things? He should be weak and "featless" because a credible source (despite Khem Val being an eyewitness) hasn't come forward? No. Screw that.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Hitler being an Alien Wizard would be more probable in the SW Universe. You're comparing potatoes with carrots.Kind of missing the point. I'm challenging your logical premise by using it an example. If we can believe Khem Val on his word alone, we can believe just about anyone who is an eye-witness on their word alone. And you won't have to go very far on google to find plenty of "eye-witnesses" who make claims even Tulak Hord fans find outlandish.Our world isn't the world of SW.
In the argument against exaggeration, he's saying he saw it, whereas awhile back you quoted Anakin, who merely believes that Obi-Wan is that good. Khem Val claims to have seen it with his own two eyes.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
But even without the eyewitness accounts, he has tons of accolades, and the defeat of Aloysius Kallig in single combat, who ragdolled Nox while he was way past his prime as a Sith Spirit.Which is nice, it really is, but it doesn't add any validity to Val's statement.
Meanwhile, you can still prove Hord is a powerhouse without Khem Val even thrown into the mix. #1 is beating Aloysius Kallig. #2 is Kreia and Avellone's quotes, among tons of other quotes claiming he's a legendary duelist. So now we have not 1, but 2 sources, one in-game and one that has position of authority irl in terms of SW.I don't really care for the Kallig thing at the moment. As for Kreia/Avellone - Avellone has authority over Kreia, since he created her, but not characters outside of that realm. Did Avellone create Tulak?
Originally posted by JmanghanRegardless of how believable you find something - and your personal feelings are irrelevant - it's still using exactly the same logic as you. And by not taking every single eye-witness on their word, you're being a hypocrite.
Khem Val isn't listing some unbelievable thing like that though.He has listed something that is certainly plausible in the world of Star Wars.
You saying that you watched a potato growing legs isn't in the realm of realism in our world.
Nor is ILS' with his whole holocaust analogy.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Khem Val isn't listing some unbelievable thing like that though.He has listed something that is certainly plausible in the world of Star Wars.
You saying that you watched a potato growing legs isn't in the realm of realism in our world.
Nor is ILS' with his whole holocaust analogy.
What you consider believable is irrelevant. And maybe my religion entitles me to believe a potato can walk? What now? Will you believe me?
I grew up on a farm that was targeted for chemical and scientific experiments for the government. They tested some sh!t and one of the potatos just got up and walked out of there... I saw it. My eye-witness account holds as much weight as Khem Val's.
Potatos walk, and Hord slaughters thousands of Jedi. #trufactz