Originally posted by Beniboybling
The quote doesn't prove anything beyond the events of TOR, but rather the 1400 year period before TOR where Sadow, Nadd and Kun all added to the power of the moon in their own way. Post TOR nothing of significance occurs that would deepen its power, so logically it would go the way of Korriban and other Sith worlds and diminish instead. The fact that Luke was comfortable starting a Jedi academy there indicating as much.
TOR takes place over 300 years after TotJ. That's a significant span of time. If nothing happened there for that long and it still continually grew in potency, I don't see why it would suddenly stop or start decreasing for no reason.
Because Vader by sensing the power of Muur directly (not by observing what power he could use through Morne) believed he might replace Palpatine as his master if he claimed the talisman, and its stated that Muur possessed more power than Krayt, exclusive of Morne.Obviously if Muur possesses the same about of power in life as he did in death, the above would remain static.
Or in other words: Krayt > Muur = Spirit!Muur > Vong! Krayt > Hord.
Ah, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.
I'd still like to hear a reason for why you think Reborn Krayt > Muur, though. Muur was confirmed stronger than Vong Krayt, but the gap was not quantified. Why do you think the gap between Reborn Krayt and Vong Krayt is greater than the gap between Muur and Vong Krayt?
Originally posted by AzrongerTrue, frankly though it doesn't make a great deal of sense given that at one point the power would have been diminished by the Jedi cleansing, nor is there any reason to believe it would be an exception to worlds like Korriban.
TOR takes place over 300 years after TotJ. That's a significant span of time. If nothing happened there for that long and it still continually grew in potency, I don't see why it would suddenly stop or start decreasing for no reason.
Ah, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.Well I guess its just a matter of personal opinion tbh, as it stands Muur only has accolades that put him above Vong Krayt, so we either assume he's beneath Reborn Krayt or concede we don't know. Either way its something of a dead-end in terms of power-scaling.I'd still like to hear a reason for why you think Reborn Krayt > Muur, though. Muur was confirmed stronger than Vong Krayt, but the gap was not quantified. Why do you think the gap between Reborn Krayt and Vong Krayt is greater than the gap between Muur and Vong Krayt?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂So it was the Muur Talisman, not Muur himself, that was more powerful than both Krayt, Vader etc.? Lmao. How absurd. Why on earth should we assume that, rather than the most obvious answer that it was instead the power of Muur's spirit?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
True, frankly though it doesn't make a great deal of sense given that at one point the power would have been diminished by the Jedi cleansing, nor is there any reason to believe it would be an exception to worlds like Korriban.
It doesn't make any sense at all (like most of TOR), but I'm not about to ignore it just because of that.
Well I guess its just a matter of personal opinion tbh, as it stands Muur only has accolades that put him above Vong Krayt, so we either assume he's beneath Reborn Krayt or concede we don't know. Either way its something of a dead-end in terms of power-scaling.
Reborn Krayt also has primarely accolades that put him above Vong Krayt, but I agree, it's a dead end. Which is why we should just hold them as equals in power and look at their Force mastery, instead, imo.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nah, that just means that the Muur! Talisman > Vong Krayt. So it's possible that Muur himself is Sub-Maladi 🙂
Tbh, that's not an unreasonable claim, given that Sith artefacts have "overpowered" their masters before; the Sword of Ajunta Pall and the Darkstaff are two examples of this.
But I agree with Beni: no reason to assume that unless proof is presented.
@Azronger - That's just a legend in KotOR II. Ajunta's spirit in KotOR seems to reminisce of being destroyed in battle by the other Sith. The Sword possibly fueled their thirst for power or something like that - I don't think it literally destroyed them.
The Darkstaff didn't destroy Rivan. Rivan just exhausted himself using the Darkstaff's power, which allowed him to be easily slain on the battlefield.
Originally posted by Azronger
TOR takes place over 300 years after TotJ. That's a significant span of time. If nothing happened there for that long and it still continually grew in potency, I don't see why it would suddenly stop or start decreasing for no reason.Ah, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.
I'd still like to hear a reason for why you think Reborn Krayt > Muur, though. Muur was confirmed stronger than Vong Krayt, but the gap was not quantified. Why do you think the gap between Reborn Krayt and Vong Krayt is greater than the gap between Muur and Vong Krayt?
For another, Reborn Krayt himself states that he returned with his power "multiplied", and he also had a few new tricks up his sleeve, like the Shatterpoint ability, a mastery of the Dark Transfer that even a prodigy/Skywalker couldn't come close to matching, and the Transfer Essence.
And also Krayt as of ~40ABY, at the time he and Luke fought Abeloth together, was far stronger than Vong Krayt.
So it stands to reason that Krayt was at his strongest(during his natural life) as of FOTJ:Apocalypse, then decreased dramatically in power as old age and the Vong parasites did a number on him, and he reached the peak of his power after his rebirth.
Originally posted by SunRazer
@Azronger - That's just a legend in KotOR II. Ajunta's spirit in KotOR seems to reminisce of being destroyed in battle by the other Sith. The Sword possibly fueled their thirst for power or something like that - I don't think it literally destroyed them.The Darkstaff didn't destroy Rivan. Rivan just exhausted himself using the Darkstaff's power, which allowed him to be easily slain on the battlefield.
"Destroy" in this context could be interpreted in a lot of ways, but the way Ajunta speaks about it definitely implies it had a corrupting influence on him, meaning it may have been too powerful for him.
No, but Rivan mused it would:
"I could not wield it. I would not. It would not make me more powerful; it would destroy me. And so, I want it gone, erased from the galaxy. Nothing that has the power to destroy me should be allowed to continue to exist, no matter how sweet the promises it makes, no matter how dark the night would be if I held it. It must be destroyed."
Rivan also theorized it destroyed its creator.
Originally posted by UnbowedMuur healed him, IIRC.
Well for one thing Krayt was literally at death's door at the time his duel with Muur happened. A few chapters earlier Wyyrok traveled to the Deep Core to find some lore that would aid Krayt because they were growing increasingly desperate about his health.For another, Reborn Krayt himself states that he returned with his power "multiplied", and he also had a few new tricks up his sleeve, like the Shatterpoint ability, a mastery of the Dark Transfer that even a prodigy/Skywalker couldn't come close to matching, and the Transfer Essence.
And also Krayt as of ~40ABY, at the time he and Luke fought Abeloth together, was far stronger than Vong Krayt.
So it stands to reason that Krayt was at his strongest(during his natural life) as of FOTJ:Apocalypse, then decreased dramatically in power as old age and the Vong parasites did a number on him, and he reached the peak of his power after his rebirth.
Originally posted by Unbowed
Well for one thing Krayt was literally at death's door at the time his duel with Muur happened. A few chapters earlier Wyyrok traveled to the Deep Core to find some lore that would aid Krayt because they were growing increasingly desperate about his health.
No, Muur healed him before the fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/4653430-muurhealskrayt.jpg
For another, Reborn Krayt himself states that he returned with his power "multiplied", and he also had a few new tricks up his sleeve, like the Shatterpoint ability, a mastery of the Dark Transfer that even a prodigy/Skywalker couldn't come close to matching, and the Transfer Essence.
Even a 10% increase would count as "multiplied". This is not proof he is stronger than Muur.
Muur also possesses Dark Transfer, but Shatterpoint could be an advantage. I don't think he knows Essence Transfer, though.
And also Krayt as of ~40ABY, at the time he and Luke fought Abeloth together, was far stronger than Vong Krayt.
Based on what was he "far" stronger?
So it stands to reason that Krayt was at his strongest(during his natural life) as of FOTJ:Apocalypse, then decreased dramatically in power as old age and the Vong parasites did a number on him, and he reached the peak of his power after his rebirth.
I agree. Not sure how this is supposed to put him beyond Muur, though.
