Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?That was practically his first showing and he was nowhere near 616 Hulk.
Very true.
What feats does DCnU Hawkman have, that equates to Hulk ripping a tank apart like tissue?
Or, even better, what feats does he have which are even better than that?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Very true.What feats does DCnU Hawkman have, that equates to Hulk ripping a tank apart like tissue?
Or, even better, what feats does he have which are even better than that?
More impressive than ripping apart ceramic tank armor?
Any of his strength feats I would assume?
I don't think any character with cl100 strength would have a hard time ripping apart that tank.
Ult. Hulk has also...
-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.
Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.
Originally posted by Galan007
Ult. Hulk has also...-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.
Not just enduring a beating. Walking away with essentially what amounts to the beating you get when in a street fight between humans, i.e. peers.
NOT saying Ult Cap = Ult Hulk btw, just that he walks away with a battered face, cracked ribs, dislocated arm etc, which is what you could well get in a street fight on a Friday night.
So that's the durability. Here he is matching Ult Spidey, who is worried about Aunt May (and we all know how amped Spideys get when May is concerned):
Granted, as the convo progresses, Spidey calms down and stops fighting back - but not in the initial panels, where he's still trying to get to Aunt May. So he's still giving it his all in the first panel or so.
BUT, Ult Spidey =/=616 Spidey. So how strong is Ult Spidey?
Forklifts weigh 5 tons.
Class 8 HDTs like that weigh 15tons.
Originally posted by Galan007
Ult. Hulk has also...-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.
He was also beaten by the thing and zarda.
It's impressive, I just don't see the gap between ult cap and ult hulk as big as the gap between regular cap and hulk. And I don't consider ult hulk a peer to 616 hulk strength-wise.
I'll look up some hawkman stuff. iirc his regen is pretty insane now.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, but you're meant to be proving that DCnU Hawkman would be more impressive than Ult. Hulk in his fight with Cap.
Yes, but Hulk's role in that job was tearing apart a tank and getting beat on.
What am I supposed to prove? That Hawkman has some superstrength?
He doesn't have to be as strong as ult hulk to beat ult cap, far from it.
iirc Cap also had some extra juice in him.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but Hulk's role in that job was tearing apart a tank and getting beat on.What am I supposed to prove? That Hawkman has some superstrength?
He doesn't have to be as strong as ult hulk to beat ult cap, far from it.
iirc Cap also had some extra juice in him.
Well, I showed Hulk wailing on him, and said that in that fight, Hulk was above DCnU Hawkman could output. Yet, Cap walked away with a busted face etc.
You came in, and said hang on, this ain't 616 Hulk (which I never said), and asked why WOULD Ult. Hulk be outputting more damage than DCnU Hawkman. IOW:
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?
So...scans of DCnU Hawkman being STRONGER than a bloodlusted Ult Hulk, who was unable to put Steve down permanently or w/ever. You know what I'm asking for, lol. DCnU Hawkman is nowhere near as strong as Ult. Hulk, IMO, but if you think otherwise, feel free to post.
Cap walked away because Thor saved him. Cap was screaming out for chrissakes. If that fight continued he would've been dead meat.
Ult Hulk was not unable to put him down, he was putting him down and was stopped by Thor.
You're being full on Carter here. Anyone in their right mind can see that Hulk had Cap dead to rights.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Cap walked away because Thor saved him. Cap was screaming out for chrissakes. If that fight continued he would've been dead meat.Ult Hulk was not unable to put him down, he was putting him down and was stopped by Thor.
See edit, as I knew you would jump on that.
Your point, which I asked you to prove, was that DCnU Hawkman was stronger than a bloodlusted Ult. Hulk.
Simples.
Edit: IOW, I am asking for proof to back this point up:
Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?
Edit 2: and you can also see that Cap had Hulk dead to rights. But, let's not get sidetracked here - am still waiting on why a bloodlusted Ult Hulk is NOT stronger than DCnU Hawkman.
Edit 3 (because I love edits): launching guys into the air does not quite count, unless said guys have a mass of like 1 ton or w/ever. Without flight, it becomes less about strength and more about the mass of said guy.
Originally posted by krisblaze
And why should he?At that point Hulk had one showing, which was tearing apart the tank.
Cool.
So one showing of Hulk, vs the entirety of DCnU Hawkman's output. Who has been going since 2011, so nearly 5 years' worth of output. What feats does DCnU Hawkman have that surpasses that single showing?
Here's a respect thread for Hawkman, so you can save time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ofkot/respect_hawkman_new_52/
