Originally posted by darthgoober
See I gotta disagree with you there. I see chi manipution as it's own particular skill outright. Like you can be really skilled at punching, really skilled kicking, really skilled at grappling, really skilled at chi manipulation, etc. After all, chi manipulation is something that they start trying to teach you when you're a white belt and LOTS of high level MAs in comics have mentioned doing it in at least an off hand way. Shang deciding to focus on that particular aspect more doesn't inherantly make him more skilled that Bats in anything OTHER than chi manipulation. That's why when BP was talking about the two he said that Ironfist's chi was mighty, but Shang was the Master of kung fu in a clear implication that Shang was more skilled.
Yeah, chi is its own thing. Plus, it's not like batman can't dodge chi strikes.
Originally posted by cdtm
That was Hudlin, wasn't it?I don't know, Goober, considering what Danny did to T'challa under Priest, sounds like sour grapes to me. (Cage certainly wasn't taking it at face value. 😛 )
Originally posted by Zack Mplease don't try to wank batman's skill to this obscene level. One guy can literally through kryptonians into different galaxies, injure daxamites, and break substances that are the equivalent of primary adamantium with his bare hands. Kk having any problems with batman is an undeniable example of PIS (either that or valid isn't nearly as good as he's touted as being).
Val had more hits, but was surprised of his skills. Batman is just that good.
Originally posted by deathslash
please don't try to wank batman's skill to this obscene level. One guy can literally through kryptonians into different galaxies, injure daxamites, and break substances that are the equivalent of primary adamantium with his bare hands. Kk having any problems with batman is an undeniable example of PIS (either that or valid isn't nearly as good as he's touted as being).
Different Val's, bud.
Chi amping as far as shang chi or iron fist, is achieved thru skills and martial art training. at first glance one will say its just a typical projectile. but thats not the case. its not like a mutant or someone with super powers that simply has them. chi amping is being able to direct energies within your body and manipulate them via martial art training. for example, shang chi can amp his hits and make them stronger. would you argue thats a different category? its basically a technique, a fighting technique that allows him to amp his strikes and even durability. or like karate kid. karate kid via his skills and training, achieved levels of striking power durability and speed that can match super humans. so would you say well flash also has super human speed or superman has super human strength so its a different category? for them yes. for him its his skills that pushed him to such level. so for shang chi to use chi amping and make his hits harder, make him more durable or even use projectiles its part of fighting skills and not some outside force.
this statement will probably lead many of you, including me, asking ourselves - what are fighting skills. what is a fighting technique. as someone who trained and to this day trying to find the time to train here and there, i can tell you that fighting skills is not so much about the moves you learn. its not about the punch or the kick or the cool counter. its more about the stats you develop. a punch is a punch, a kick is a kick. but when you train your body to become stronger, faster better, thats part of the training and those are part of fighting skills. to me, thats the case with martial art characters amping their body thru inner energies. thats basically a level of training that enhance their abilities.
as far as batman, his typical and majority of abilities are limited to getting beat by the likes of bane, slade, bronze tiger atc atc. those are his limits. he can maybe win some, definitely lose some, but those are his levels. 1 fight vs karate kid doesnt change his entire history and overall abilities.
Originally posted by Dareangel
Chi amping as far as shang chi or iron fist, is achieved thru skills and martial art training. at first glance one will say its just a typical projectile. but thats not the case. its not like a mutant or someone with super powers that simply has them. chi amping is being able to direct energies within your body and manipulate them via martial art training. for example, shang chi can amp his hits and make them stronger. would you argue thats a different category? its basically a technique, a fighting technique that allows him to amp his strikes and even durability. or like karate kid. karate kid via his skills and training, achieved levels of striking power durability and speed that can match super humans. so would you say well flash also has super human speed or superman has super human strength so its a different category? for them yes. for him its his skills that pushed him to such level. so for shang chi to use chi amping and make his hits harder, make him more durable or even use projectiles its part of fighting skills and not some outside force.as far as batman, his typical and majority of abilities are limited to getting beat by the likes of bane, slade, bronze tiger atc atc. those are his limits. he can maybe win some, definitely lose some, but those are his levels. 1 fight vs karate kid doesnt change his entire history and overall abilities.
He's fought 2 separate Karate Kid's. He's also defeated Bane, BT, etc... He may have looked inferior the first rounds, but Batman always adapts in the end. He even teased Val that he wouldn't have beaten him a second time.,
Originally posted by Zack M
He's fought 2 separate Karate Kid's. He's also defeated Bane, BT, etc... He may have looked inferior the first rounds, but Batman always adapts in the end. He even teased Val that he wouldn't have beaten him a second time.,
as pointed out he may win some or lose some, but those guys are his limits. i also dont recall batman beating bronze tiger. as far as batman stating that, its just a statement. aside of that the whole event is beyond his average abilities when it comes down to fighting. and even then he lost as i recall. batman is a good top tier fighter, but when it comes to fighting skills and abilities alone, shang chi is 1 level above him IMO. lets also take into account the fact batman is using protective body suit that is suppose to lighten up the impact of the strikes he recieve. also enhance his own striking power to a little degree. shang chi is fighting shirtless WITH SLIPPERS OR SNEAKERS and he still kicks major ass Lol. when batman steps up into a fight he all suited up with tons of gadgets and shit ready up for war. then we got shang chi looking like he is walking to the beach wooping some ass punching out dragons and doombots. this says it all man. Mr shang is on a different level. not by much, but a different level.