Batman vs. Shang Chi in a H2H match

Originally posted by Zack M
Nobody said it didn't take skill to develop Chi attacks or whatnot. We're saying that if he couldn't rely upon that and it's just a dojo style fight, Batman would come out on top. We saw what happened when he fought Cap in a ring without Chi. It was 50/50. Batman has mastered every fighting style on earth, Shang isn't anything special.

Its my opinion you seek to lowball Shang like this because you dont know how to build one character up and still give the other due credit.

-shrug-
Its your debate style, though.

Shang Chi is a pure MA who's mastered his style to the point of Chi manip.
Batman has not mastered any one style to anywhere near that point.
This would be a good Dojo fight, that Shang would win.
In my opinion.

There's really not much more to say. Was a fun thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And gets his ass handed nearly everytime.

Yeah, Tasky is very unimpressive. Hell, even Srank thinks this, too.

Characters like Prometheus and Cassandra would hand him his butt. ✅

Originally posted by riv6672

Shang Chi is a pure MA who's mastered his style to the point of Chi manip.
Batman has not mastered any one style to anywhere near that point.

you just reminded me of something bruce lee said. he said "i fear not the man who practiced 10,000 kicks, i fear the man who practiced 1 kick 10,000 times". i find it very true. its not the number of styles you know. its how well you are doing with the tools you got. in a fight, you dont need 10,000 different types of a punch or a kick its pointless. you need 1 good punch that you know how and when to throw.

Originally posted by Dareangel
you just reminded me of something bruce lee said. he said "i fear not the man who practiced 10,000 kicks, i fear the man who practiced 1 kick 10,000 times". i find it very true. its not the number of styles you know. its how well you are doing with the tools you got. in a fight, you dont need 10,000 different types of a punch or a kick its pointless. you need 1 good punch that you know how and when to throw.

Bruce has learned from the best, though. And that gives him the skills to go toe to toe with pure MA's.

Originally posted by Zack M
Bruce has learned from the best, though. And that gives him the skills to go toe to toe with pure MA's.

bruce is among the best fighters no doubt, but i just feel that shang chi is more skilled based on fights and feats. of course not at the levels that he can school bruce. of course not. but still.

Originally posted by Dareangel
bruce is among the best fighters no doubt, but i just feel that shang chi is more skilled based on fights and feats. of course not at the levels that he can school bruce. of course not. but still.

In terms of chi based attacks, I agree. However, in terms of hth skills, dojo fighting, they are about equal, with Bruce being the more cunning, IMO. Bruce has taken on and stalemated fighters who are peers (Or exceed) to Shang, so I don't see them being far off from each other.

Honestly Nightwing would be too much for Shang let alone Batman.

Originally posted by riv6672
Shang Chi is a pure MA who's mastered his style to the point of Chi manip.
Batman has not mastered any one style to anywhere near that point.

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This logic is broke as shit.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Honestly Nightwing would be too much for Shang let alone Batman.

Honestly, NO.

Originally posted by Dareangel
you just reminded me of something bruce lee said. he said "i fear not the man who practiced 10,000 kicks, i fear the man who practiced 1 kick 10,000 times". i find it very true. its not the number of styles you know. its how well you are doing with the tools you got. in a fight, you dont need 10,000 different types of a punch or a kick its pointless. you need 1 good punch that you know how and when to throw.

Didn't you just describe... the Batkick???

"i fear not the man who practiced 10,000 kicks, i fear the man who practiced the batkick 10,000 times"

Batman HAS mastered every style on DC Earth, though.

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who in dc (pre or post dcnu/rebirth) has shown the type of chi control that some of the marvel guys has (ie blasting chi, creating chi constructs, etc....)? is there anyone?

Originally posted by Zack M
I don't recall supergirl having trouble with that villain. However, when Val went in for a kick, supergirl casually blocked it.

He defeated it and she didn't, correct? The kick she blocked, was that also from a sick and dying Val?

And the Val I'm talking about is on Shang's level, not above it.

But he is far above Shangs level. Unless you're treating Val from the Batman encounter as a completely separate character. But then if you are..we'd need feats from that specific story to tell us why beating that version of Val is impressive.

Otherwise if we take the Batman feat and say it counts..then he should literally one shot Shang Chi. That would be true even if you let Shang manipulate chi, and hell it'd be true if you let him manipulate chi and doubled his power levels.

Originally posted by Surtur
He defeated it and she didn't, correct? The kick she blocked, was that also from a sick and dying Val?

But he is far above Shangs level. Unless you're treating Val from the Batman encounter as a completely separate character. But then if you are..we'd need feats from that specific story to tell us why beating that version of Val is impressive.

Otherwise if we take the Batman feat and say it counts..then he should literally one shot Shang Chi. That would be true even if you let Shang manipulate chi, and hell it'd be true if you let him manipulate chi and doubled his power levels.

I don't remember her losing, but I could be wrong. Got scans?

And 3Boot Val isn't that far off from Shang. Unless you have specific feats

He's right, Equuis leveled her, while Val chopped off his arm.

Originally posted by cdtm
He's right, Equuis leveled her, while Val chopped off his arm.

He didn't ko her, but he did slice her up. Either way, we're talking two different Vals here.

Originally posted by riv6672

-Its your opinion Batman's mastered every fighting style on earth when in reality he's been shown to have taken parts of many styles and created a hybrid system that he incorporates along with his suit and gear to make him truly formidable.

Has spent years perfecting every known fighting discipline. (The Ultimate Guide to the Justice League of America)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544037

Is said to be quite possibly the greatest martial artist alive and a master of every fighting style on earth (DC Comics Encyclopedia vol 2)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544041

Is a master of all fighting arts (Detective Comics #411)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544045

Trained to perfection in every violent art.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084797

Perfected every fighting Discipline.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084801

Mastered virtually all forms of combat.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084803

Originally posted by Juntai
This part isn't opinion. It's been written as part of his character that he is a master of all. It's written in comics and handbooks many times over.

Has spent years perfecting every known fighting discipline. (The Ultimate Guide to the Justice League of America)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544037

Is said to be quite possibly the greatest martial artist alive and a master of every fighting style on earth (DC Comics Encyclopedia vol 2)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544041

Is a master of all fighting arts (Detective Comics #411)
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2544045

Trained to perfection in every violent art.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084797

Perfected every fighting Discipline.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084801

Mastered virtually all forms of combat.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3084803

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Nice seeing you posting again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman HAS mastered every style on DC Earth, though.

Indeed.

But Val mastered alien forms. Another reason why you can't really compare them, or Val to Shang for that matter.

Shang "should" win on stats, if nothing else. If you think he can't decapitate a stone statue who's head is bigger then his body or do his best Wonder Woman impersonation by deflecting bullets off his wrist band without amping, I'm not sure what there is to debate. We're talking about a character that simply hasn't been written about.. (Same goes for Elektra with her sai deflections.

And what about Cassandra Cain? She sure doesn't chi channel. So does she get a pass, while chi channelers are assumed to do EVERYTHING on amp?)

Originally posted by cdtm
Indeed.

But Val mastered alien forms. Another reason why you can't really compare them, or Val to Shang for that matter.

Shang "should" win on stats, if nothing else. If you think he can't decapitate a stone statue who's head is bigger then his body or do his best Wonder Woman impersonation by deflecting bullets off his wrist band, I'm not sure what there is to debate. We're talking about a character that simply hasn't been written about..

Batman has went toe to toe with two versions of Karate Kid, clobbered Solomon Grundy. Single handedly wrecked the Teen Titans in a few panels, while wounded he took down 4 Talons at the same time, kung fued down and choked Lobo into submission, beat Aquaman in a hand to hand fight etc.

He doesn't have outward showings of chi, but his performances are better.

He's the ****ing Batman.