Darth Sidious & Luke Skywalker vs Exar Kun & Ulic Qel-Droma

Started by UCanShootMyNova8 pages

You've tainted HoC for me. Luckily it was dipping in quality by S3 anyways.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I never brought up Cade or Krayt. That was Nova. Personally no, I don't think Cade caught Krayt off guard but Nova does apparently.

I know. You still answered him, lol.
Also, how? Krayt just flat-out-dominated Cade 😬

I guess now I can use the Exile soloing the entire Jedi Council via a dark side choice.

What are you trying to gain here Urs, because from your last question

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Cade catching Krayt offguard, who doesn't even trusted him, is legit; but Sidious getting catched offguard by the man he manipulated for years, and formed since a decade, isn't.

It seems like you didn't think that Cade catching Krayt off guard was legitimate. Or at least that you didn't understand why I would think it's legitimate when the situation with Sidious and Anakin was not. Now that I told you that I don't think he legitimately did so you reversed positions.

Almost like you don't actually care about the position you're taking up but only that it's going against my own.

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F*ck off.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I guess now I can use the Exile soloing the entire Jedi Council via a dark side choice.

👆

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Now that I told you that I don't think he legitimately did so you reversed positions.

No, lol.
I still think that Cade caught Krayt offguard, as Anakin did with Sidious, but that it was more likely for Sidious to lower his guard, lol.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I guess now I can use the Exile soloing the entire Jedi Council via a dark side choice.

Doesn't happen. If you choose "I've come here to kill you", they still give you the talk.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, lol.
I still think that Cade caught Krayt offguard, as Anakin did with Sidious, but that it was more likely for Sidious to lower his guard, lol.

Yes, lol.

If you'd bothered reading through the thread you would know my position on Sidious and Anakin. He could sense Anakin's emotions and manipulate them without effort in RotS. There's no reason he wouldn't have been able to do it at the end of the RotS video game.

As for Cade there's no reason for Krayt to have lowered his guard. As you yourself pointed out he didn't trust Cade and had no reason to.

Sidious was forseeing like everything at that point in ROTS, his precog was also ridiculous. The idea he was merely 'caught off-guard' is frankly laughable, he clearly got blitzed.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Doesn't happen. If you choose "I've come here to kill you", they still give you the talk.

Cut-content.

Kill Vash on the Droid Planet and that'll trigger the other three, or any other variation.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yes, lol.

If you'd bothered reading through the thread you would know my position on Sidious and Anakin. He could sense Anakin's emotions and manipulate them without effort in RotS. There's no reason he wouldn't have been able to do it at the end of the RotS video game.

As for Cade there's no reason for Krayt to have lowered his guard. As you yourself pointed out he didn't trust Cade and had no reason to.


When?

1. The RotS Game, as Nova pointed out, seems to be an own universe.
2. He just lowered his guard. It's PIS. I read through the thread, but I stil don't really see what your point is.

There is one. It's called PIS. Or Sith-Arrogance. Or both.
No, I didn't 😬 I just said that Sidious should trust Anakin more than Krayt did Cade.
Krayt just inflicted illusions in Cade's mind iirc, and brought him back to life; so he probably thought that Cade will follow him.

When what.

1. So the characters personalities and preestablished relationships all suddenly changed as well?

2. PIS is only used as a label for actions that don't make any sense from a writing perspective. There's still a logical in universe reason for everything that we have to deduce.

Read above.

Why? He showed Cade false visions of his future and then then they engaged in an extended bout. There's no reason for Krayt to have been caught off guard.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why? He showed Cade false visions of his future and then then they engaged in an extended bout. There's no reason for Krayt to have been caught off guard.

what

Originally posted by AncientPower
Cut-content.

Kill Vash on the Droid Planet and that'll trigger the other three, or any other variation.

That's just the standard "kill one, the rest go after you" thing.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious was forseeing like everything at that point in ROTS, his precog was also ridiculous. The idea he was merely 'caught off-guard' is frankly laughable, he clearly got blitzed.

Sidious doesn't foresee anything in the game, lmao.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That's just the standard "kill one, the rest go after you" thing.

Which is still relevant in an argument, remember we're debating what they can do. Because power levels.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sidious doesn't foresee anything in the game, lmao.

So now we're separating ROTS media, but not separating TFU media?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Which is still relevant in an argument, remember we're debating what they can do. Because power levels.

So now we're separating ROTS media, but not separating TFU media?

1. I know. I'm not contradicting that. DS Exile is more powerful than LS Exile anyway, since she kills more people (including Jedi Masters), which results in her being more powerful. That would explain why she isn't getting stomped in the Force by the Masters.

2. The RotS video game has it totally different to the rest of RotS media (power levels are different, Padme isn't even a factor, etc). Whereas the TFU game is in fact the central medium, with the rest built around it, and there's actual correlation there between the different media.

1.Except in the scenario I provided she makes a single dark side turn and kills one master, before soloing the other three. As you so eloquently pointed out, the differenvc between DS Wii/PS2/PSP Galen and Canon PC/Xbox 360/PS3 Galen is apparently neglible.

2.Correlations like different planets? 😬

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
what

My bad. Mixed up the scene where Cade killed him and Krayt landed a DT attack on Cade in the scene prior.

1. So what? She grows noticeably more powerful. The difference between the versions of Galen is negligible, not the Exile, since DS Exile specifically gets more powerful due to her core traits (she passively Drains her companions, kills at least a Jedi Master and takes their strength, and kills more people in general).

2. What do you mean? Anyways, there's a reason we don't dumb it all down to movie-level, although to be honest, we really should have more of a separate perspective on each of the RotS versions instead of mixing and matching. I think it would help in discussions, actually.