Originally posted by Nibedicus
Which exact pressure point attacks do you mean? A lot of attacks can be classified or preceived as pressure point attacks but in order for me to put togeter a rebuttal, will need to know which ones you think would be most effective against a boxer.
Against Twister he attacked his biceps, and against Frank he used elbow strikes and joint strikes to weaken his guard.
Well, my issue of pressure point attacks is that the boxing stance, footwork and constant head movement tends to work pretty well in defending critical areas from precise direct hits to the face/neck. Unless you are meaning body pressure strikes which I'm not too familiar with. Solar plexus maybe? Even then, boxer body movement and use of defensive jabs makes the use of short range high-precision strikes pretty difficult.
Kicks would be effective, tho. But don't forget that Rocky took direct hits from Drago. Who punches at an inhuman 2150 psi (taking in boxer fist contact area, this means he hits at around 8-10k lbs of force) by the end of the training montage. And Rocky managed to gas Drago out by getting hit in the face (well, the body punches did help). As chins go, Rocky can't be beat.
Let's not forget that Rocky in his prime isn't a slouch in the speed dept either.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Let's use MMA gloves for both to make the fight even.Let's use the rules allowed in the Twister fight to give ppl a good reference.
The rules changed towards the end of the fight. At first kicks were allowed and then they weren't
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Were they very effective tho? And how would you place Rocky over Frank or Twister?
Rocky isn't aggressive like Twister and Frank. He likes to absorb punishment and wait for an opening.
Originally posted by juggerman
1) The rules changed towards the end of the fight. At first kicks were allowed and then they weren't2) Rocky isn't aggressive like Twister and Frank. He likes to absorb punishment and wait for an opening.
1) Edited it before your post. 😛
2) Would that work for or against Rocky, tho?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Edited it before your post. 😛2) Would that work for or against Rocky, tho?
Nice 👆
I think it would work against Rocky since Twister and Frank's aggressiveness kept IP on the defensive and on his heels. I think Rocky's passive style would allow IP to do real damage early on.
I'm assuming IP has already fought 2 boxers at this point so he would have a pretty good idea of what parts to attack to weaken Rocky while Rocky has no real idea what he's in store for
Originally posted by juggerman
Nice 👆I think it would work against Rocky since Twister and Frank's aggressiveness kept IP on the defensive and on his heels. I think Rocky's passive style would allow IP to do real damage early on.
I'm assuming IP has already fought 2 boxers at this point so he would have a pretty good idea of what parts to attack to weaken Rocky while Rocky has no real idea what he's in store for
Boxers tend to have different styles, tho. Rocky has been shown to fight the defensive fight pretty well if he needed to (vs Clubber Lang) so he can use footwork + defensive jabs to control range (w/c IP can counter using kicks but that would mean he'd open himself up to inside fighting which Rocky is also excellent at such as when he was vs Drago).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Boxers tend to have different styles, tho. Rocky has been shown to fight the defensive fight pretty well if he needed to (vs Clubber Lang) so he can use footwork + defensive jabs to control range (w/c IP can counter using kicks but that would mean he'd open himself up to inside fighting which Rocky is also excellent at such as when he was vs Drago).
Yes Rocky can be aggressive as he was with Lang but he doesn't have the stamina to keep it up too long. Creed basically told him he had to beat Lang quickly or he would gas himself. And even when he did that he ended up falling back into his more defensive/countering style rather quickly.
I wouldn't bank on Rocky going in like he did against Lang since that was a special case and he has never fought like that before or after his Lang fight. Rocky would lead with his face as per his norm. IP would likely go right for the attacks that aided him against boxers in the past
One question to ppl, tho: I have mostly used actor stats for height/weight when determining stats for fictional characters where their actual stats were never shown or alluded to on-screen. Admittedly, this has flaws (such as when certain actors tend to have their height boosted just to look taller on screen especially when shot close to a taller leading lady). But it is the closest logicsl approximation I can think of.
It gets tougher for characters like IP Man tho. As he is a RL person with RL stats and the movie is based on him (albeit loosely). Do we go RL stats or actor stats?
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes Rocky can be aggressive as he was with Lang but he doesn't have the stamina to keep it up too long. Creed basically told him he had to beat Lang quickly or he would gas himself. And even when he did that he ended up falling back into his more defensive/countering style rather quickly.I wouldn't bank on Rocky going in like he did against Lang since that was a special case and he has never fought like that before or after his Lang fight. Rocky would lead with his face as per his norm. IP would likely go right for the attacks that aided him against boxers in the past
Not saying that Rocky would start off defensively. Just saying that it is within his tools in case he is forced to change his style due to eating too many hits.
I dunno, didn't he work on his stamina specifically for the Drago fight?
Thing is, Rocky can eat hits like popcorn. Every single direct hit from Drago would KTFO of any boxer and Rocky took them. I mean those were clean hits. He should have went down in the first round but he took them and kept on chugging. Tank + counter would be bad for IP, wouldn't it? His kicks and punches tend to leave him open to counters (his machine gun punch leaves his face wide open, for example, Rocky would eat the punches and just do a simple hook or over hand to the face).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Not saying that Rocky would start off defensively. Just saying that it is within his tools in case he is forced to change his style due to eating too many hits.I dunno, didn't he work on his stamina specifically for the Drago fight?
Thing is, Rocky can eat hits like popcorn. Every single direct hit from Drago would KTFO of any boxer and Rocky took them. I mean those were clean hits. He should have went down in the first round but he took them and kept on chugging. Tank + counter would be bad for IP, wouldn't it? His kicks and punches tend to leave him open to counters (his machine gun punch leaves his face wide open, for example, Rocky would eat the punches and just do a simple hook or over hand to the face).
Yes he can change but he is not prepared to protect himself from what IP does. Leg kicks, throws, joint hits and all that mess. I just don't see Rocky being able to defend against it all without previous knowledge of IP's fighting style
Well he didn't fight Drago like he intended to fight Lang. In the Lang fight, Rocky ran out and took the fight to him as soon as the fight started. With Drago and everyone else he just ate punches until he was able to unleash the Kraken!
Yes Rocky's durability is the issue for IP. But it's mostly his head imo. IP can unleash precise jabbing hits in joints to weaken Rocky's offense and defense as he has done in the past and is very good at. Also, and this is not for sure but IP might hit harder than Drago. IP has sent mofos FLYING with hits in a way Drago has not. Creed also endured several hits from Drago before he was felled. I'm not trying to take away from Drago, he's a beast, but due to the way kung fu films are choreographed, most martial artists are portrayed as being able to do inhuman things. IP isn't as crazy as some are but he still is crazy strong.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
One question to ppl, tho: I have mostly used actor stats for height/weight when determining stats for fictional characters where their actual stats were never shown or alluded to on-screen. Admittedly, this has flaws (such as when certain actors tend to have their height boosted just to look taller on screen especially when shot close to a taller leading lady). But it is the closest logicsl approximation I can think of.It gets tougher for characters like IP Man tho. As he is a RL person with RL stats and the movie is based on him (albeit loosely). Do we go RL stats or actor stats?
Like Juggerman said, best stick to actor stats. Unless it's one of those obvious cases, like Xerxes from 300, where they clearly used CG to make him like 8 feet tall.