Rocky vs IP Man

Originally posted by KingD19
Well they both punched men to death. Creed was 43, retired for 5 years and way out of shape when he fought Drago. So titles in front of boxer don't really hold up.

And Frank is faster than Rocky, shown by how easily he fought Ip who is crazy fast. For example the Northerner couldn't even lay a hand on him in the first movie.

We know he's not Spidey strong, as if he was his first hit(he wasn't holding back) against Creed or Rocky would have sent them flying if not killed them immediately. Borderline is more likely, but Frank would be in the same realm, just stronger.

Frank is better because when he hits people, they get launched off their feet. A jab from his back sent Ip sliding across the floor. And better because he's fast enough to keep pace with Ip. Do you really think Rocky is in that realm of speed? Because his entire style is basically soak up punches then punch back. That won't work against a guy who can snap his arm or leg.

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Couple of points to consider:

1. Ip Man is a lightweight. Rocky never punched a lightweight before, he's always gone up against heavyweights who for the most part were bigger than him. It's very possible that his punches would have launched a lightweight too. At the very least, Drago's punches should have.

2. You seem to be biased in thinking boxers are not fast, when in fact they are some of the fastest fighters around. They just don't have fancy moves which catches the eye. Ip Man is probably faster than Rocky due to the fact that he's a lightweight but I wouldn't consider him that much faster. Rocky eventually became a decently fast and agile fighter.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hey Froth, did you read what I wrote regarding the physics error they had in Rocky IV? They used psi instead of lbs. Making Drago's punch hit for around 20 tons. Lol.

lol. Well that makes him pretty much Spiderman level strong.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Couple of points to consider:

1. Ip Man is a lightweight. Rocky never punched a lightweight before, he's always gone up against heavyweights who for the most part were bigger than him. It's very possible that his punches would have launched a lightweight too. At the very least, Drago's punches should have.

2. You seem to be biased in thinking boxers are not fast, when in fact they are some of the fastest fighters around. They just don't have fancy moves which catches the eye. Ip Man is probably faster than Rocky due to the fact that he's a lightweight but I wouldn't consider him that much faster. Rocky eventually became a decently fast and agile fighter.

That's a possibility, but we didn't see any of that. We see Ip send people flying multiple times, so it's possible for him based on feats and it's a representation of his power(you don't split a thick wooden table in half by kicking off it, or casually kick a sword and send it flying to embed into a door across the room and not be strong). I'm not saying Rocky's not strong. I'm saying based on feats Rocky's not as strong as Frank, who sent Ip flying and with a straight right sent his lacky soaring out of the bullpen despite him having a boxing cushion in front of him.

2. I never said boxers aren't fast. Frank and Twister both hit Ip plenty. I'm saying Rocky isn't fast. No one he fought was near Ip in speed aside from Apollo, and we see how that worked out when he was unfamiliar with his style.

Originally posted by KingD19
That's a possibility, but we didn't see any of that. We see Ip send people flying multiple times, so it's possible for him based on feats and it's a representation of his power(you don't split a thick wooden table in half by kicking off it, or casually kick a sword and send it flying to embed into a door across the room and not be strong). I'm not saying Rocky's not strong. I'm saying based on feats Rocky's not as strong as Frank, who sent Ip flying and with a straight right sent his lacky soaring out of the bullpen despite him having a boxing cushion in front of him.

2. I never said boxers aren't fast. Frank and Twister both hit Ip plenty. I'm saying Rocky isn't fast. No one he fought was near Ip in speed aside from Apollo, and we see how that worked out when he was unfamiliar with his style.

To be honest I don't need Rocky to be as strong as Frank, just in the same strength range as Twister since Twister was clearly hurting Ip even with gloves on. And Rocky is considered one of the strongest punchers in his movies.

Rocky also never learned proper footwork and agility till Rocky III. So his fight with Apollo isn't that great of a comparison since he was a newbie in that movie.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To be honest I don't need Rocky to be as strong as Frank, just in the same strength range as Twister since Twister was clearly hurting Ip even with gloves on. And Rocky is considered one of the strongest punchers in his movies.

Rocky also never learned proper footwork and agility till Rocky III. So his fight with Apollo isn't that great of a comparison since he was a newbie in that movie.

True, but by that same token he took multiple hits from Frank who has Twister beat all around, and Frank wasn't wearing gloves. Ip took more of a beating in the Frank fight than with Twister, but walked off pretty much no worse for wear.

Based on Ip 3, he can take Rocky's punches long enough to put him down. Probably with a joint lock or a temple shot once he realizes how many hits he can take.

And we can't say locks/throws/grapples aren't valid as Ip was snapping bones on thsoe black belts one after the other.

Oh, and Ip even without launching people has displayed super strength in his fight with Tin Chi. He drove a staff through concrete, then damaged it more by just dragging the pole along it.

Rocky can grab and slam just like he did Drago and Hulk Hogan? Or is he limited to boxing?

Originally posted by KingD19
Well they both punched men to death. Creed was 43, retired for 5 years and way out of shape when he fought Drago. So titles in front of boxer don't really hold up.

And Frank is faster than Rocky, shown by how easily he fought Ip who is crazy fast. For example the Northerner couldn't even lay a hand on him in the first movie.

We know he's not Spidey strong, as if he was his first hit(he wasn't holding back) against Creed or Rocky would have sent them flying if not killed them immediately. Borderline is more likely, but Frank would be in the same realm, just stronger.

Frank is better because when he hits people, they get launched off their feet. A jab from his back sent Ip sliding across the floor. And better because he's fast enough to keep pace with Ip. Do you really think Rocky is in that realm of speed? Because his entire style is basically soak up punches then punch back. That won't work against a guy who can snap his arm or leg.

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Wasn't the guy Twister killed an old overweight retired martial arts teacher?

"Sending ppl flying" is a chinese martial arts trope. It happens but we don't suddenly think the martial artist is Captain America. I actually have better evidence than you on who is "superhuman" if taken literally, but I take wonky physics into consideration and simply go by portrayal. IP (and his opponents) is not superhuman by portrayal. He was just a very skilled wing chun master.

From visual speed, I don't see Frank moving any faster than Drago, much less Creed or Rocky in his prime. Being able to keep up with a faster opponent has more to do with precision, range and footwork than it does simply "being fast". The only hits I see him sending IP man back was when he hit IP in the stomach and made him slide 5 feet and when he hit IP square to the ribs and toppled him around that distance. Just because Drago doesn't send ppl flying doesn't make his 2150 psi punches weaker. If IP (being around 140-150 lbs maybe) got hit with 2150 lbs flush to the ribs, I'm guessing he'd be flung easily, too if he was in a chinese movie.

You are oversimplifying Rocky's style. He used his chin to win but if he didn't have any boxing skill to go with it, he would never have been able to lay a finger on Apollo nor been able to circumvent Drago's enormous reach advantage.

If you think Rocky is slow, watch his fight with Clubber once Apollo has trained him and you'll see that he is just as capable at a fast defensive style as he is at soak and counterpunch.

Originally posted by h1a8
Rocky can grab and slam just like he did Drago and Hulk Hogan? Or is he limited to boxing?

Same rules as Twister fight as per page 1.

I was pretty close. Donnie weighs around 145 lbs. And that is likely less for the movie as he was asked to lose 30 lbs for IP Man 3. Which he said he couldn't do.

http://www.jaynestars.com/movies/donnie-yen-asked-to-lost-30-pounds-for-ip-man-3/

Originally posted by KingD19
True, but by that same token he took multiple hits from Frank who has Twister beat all around, and Frank wasn't wearing gloves. Ip took more of a beating in the Frank fight than with Twister, but walked off pretty much no worse for wear.

Based on Ip 3, he can take Rocky's punches long enough to put him down. Probably with a joint lock or a temple shot once he realizes how many hits he can take.

And we can't say locks/throws/grapples aren't valid as Ip was snapping bones on thsoe black belts one after the other.

Oh, and Ip even without launching people has displayed super strength in his fight with Tin Chi. He drove a staff through concrete, then damaged it more by just dragging the pole along it.

If Drago's 2000 psi punches can't put Rocky down in 12 rounds then none of Ip's hits will put Rocky down. I'm giving Ip 4-5/10 wins only because he can grapple. Ip never went the distance with Frank, so you can't say he was tanking Frank's hits.

And would also like to mention that Clubber sent a (edit) 191 lbs (according to announcer) Rocky rolling about the same distance (4-5 ft) with a punch at (3:25). And Clubber was never portrayed in the same level as Drago.

https://youtu.be/o4VyvcySBuE

Rocky was at his best against Drago. He was on another level.That version of Rocky wouldn't have felt anything from Clubber, unless Clubber hits close to 2250psi.

Rocky will eventually catch Ip man like twister did. When he does then it's over. In the meantime Rocky will tank a lot of hits.