Juggernaut can be defeated. war hulk was powerful enough to kill him. Onslaught hurt him as well. juggernaut took a godblast from thor but thats about it. there arent any other feats as far as i know, that put him at such durability level that doomsday wont be able to overcome. i believe doomsday will overpower his enhancements.
Originally posted by Stoic
It would be an eternal stalemate. Classic Juggernaut was written to be unbeatable before the nerf happened. Low showings shouldn't be permitted. Know what I mean Zop.
That's what I'm thinking.
But would love to hear actual arguments on how/why one could ever beat the other. Evolve? Evolve what? What could Doomsday ever possibly evolve?
Telepathy? Is there precedent for that?
Originally posted by Stoic
It would be an eternal stalemate. Classic Juggernaut was written to be unbeatable before the nerf happened. Low showings shouldn't be permitted. Know what I mean Zop.
I say this is an eternal stalemate. Now if this was 8th Day or Trion Juggernaut..........RIP Doomsday.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's what I'm thinking.But would love to hear actual arguments on how/why one could ever beat the other. Evolve? Evolve what? What could Doomsday ever possibly evolve?
Telepathy? Is there precedent for that?
I won't say impossible, but I see nothing to warrant Doomsday evolving telepathy on the fly to combat a guy that isn't using it to harm him. Also, Cain's TP resistance due to gear is passive, so DD shouldn't actually evolve a way around it. It isn't as if DD was ever portrayed to be anything other than a guy that attempts to punch his way through any opponent in front of him, so figuring this out probably will never occur.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
He has already faced magic in DOS vs Bloodwynd and he tank it
But that really isn't the same magic at all, nor are they powered by the same source. I don't see anything wrong with this being an eternal stalemate. Neither will be able to stop the other.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No. His evolution is more along the lines of bypassing the magical invulnerability, IF it happened.
Since it has never happened, I don't see it happening here.
i think all this invulnerability thing is a myth. i mean sure he has a high level of durability. but when ever he went up against big forces he got owned. Onslaught hurt him. War hulk with the celestials tech was able to kill him. then i remember an issue where thru magic he was all burned to armor and skeleton and he kept on but the fact alone he was burned to a skeleton means a lot. then there are showings of him getting hurt by shatterstar and deadpool by hurting his eyes and such. you can say low showings and all but its weird he has a notable amount of them compared to his appearances. then we got juggernaut colossus getting bones broken by cain. now what are his feats to suggest he is really invulnerable? most of his fights are vs the x men. survivng a blast from cyclops or cuts from wolverine doesnt mean you are invulnerable to herald and higher levels. yes he took a godblast from a weakened thor. but to tell you the truth i dont recall any more feats on that level. if anything that feat is the minority. i am not here to lawball juggernaut i am just trying to get this thing straight. what showings does he wield to suggest the things people claim? i personally believe he is very durable but with enough power his durability is overpowered and supressed. i really believe doomsday will overpower his durability field or how ever you would like to call it.
i also find it strange that based on those circumstances, people still claim without any doubt that juggernaut is invulnerable to physical harm. however when SBP has consistant showings of laughing off magic attacks, from heralds to skyfathers, people claim he is not invulnerable to magic and simply is highly resistant. please help me riddle this...
Originally posted by Dareangel
i think all this invulnerability thing is a myth. i mean sure he has a high level of durability. but when ever he went up against big forces he got owned. Onslaught hurt him. War hulk with the celestials tech was able to kill him. then i remember an issue where thru magic he was all burned to armor and skeleton and he kept on but the fact alone he was burned to a skeleton means a lot. then there are showings of him getting hurt by shatterstar and deadpool by hurting his eyes and such. you can say low showings and all but its weird he has a notable amount of them compared to his appearances. then we got juggernaut colossus getting bones broken by cain. now what are his feats to suggest he is really invulnerable? most of his fights are vs the x men. survivng a blast from cyclops or cuts from wolverine doesnt mean you are invulnerable to herald and higher levels. yes he took a godblast from a weakened thor. but to tell you the truth i dont recall any more feats on that level. if anything that feat is the minority. i am not here to lawball juggernaut i am just trying to get this thing straight. what showings does he wield to suggest the things people claim? i personally believe he is very durable but with enough power his durability is overpowered and supressed. i really believe doomsday will overpower his durability field or how ever you would like to call it.i also find it strange that based on those circumstances, people still claim without any doubt that juggernaut is invulnerable to physical harm. however when SBP has consistant showings of laughing off magic attacks, from heralds to skyfathers, people claim he is not invulnerable to magic and simply is highly resistant. please help me riddle this...
Incredible Hulk claimed he could behead him. You know Juggernaut is immortal as long as he is connected to Cyttorak right? So just because the Hulk says he is going to kill him doesn't mean he can.
The Onslaught story was POS. People have explained that before. Even him being hurt by low level magical based weapons are pretty stupid.
In any case DD doesn't have magic or Celestial Tech so there is nothing he can do against Classic Juggernaut. He could just put up his Force Field and stand there.