Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah, Jinn is far above the average, for sure. That's what I mean.I'd actually say it's more like this:
7.8: Kanan
8.0: GI
8.4: Jinn
8.8: RotS KenobiI think the GI's defeat at the hands of Kanan is due to Kanan pulling off a peak performance that he can't pull off on a daily or regular basis.
Seems good, I assumed Kanan's growth since Season 1 was enough to put him above tbe GI but anyway we basically agree on this ranking.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Seems good, I assumed Kanan's growth since Season 1 was enough to put him above tbe GI but anyway we basically agree on this ranking.
Maybe he's become his equal as of S3, but I'm not entirely convinced. Anyway, yeah, it's basically the same ranking.
And yes, half a tier above someone is good enough to defeat him/her for a vast majority, at least.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Half a tier better as Qui-Gon is pretty solid tbh, he was his inferior in TPM so...
TPM Kenobi’s performance against Maul is significantly better than Qui-Gon’s. If Qui-Gon is better the difference is slight. And since then Kenobi has had 13 years to improve. He is far beyond TPM Qui-gon by the time of RotS. It's even more obvious when we look at their feats, whereas Jinn gets stomped by Maul, Obi can stalemate a superior Maul.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
@Aeres There are statements out there that Qui-Gin's Kenobi's superior and that at one day Obi-Wan will surpass him. Secondly, there is no evidence which marks Obi-Wan's growth between TPM and AotC as big so going from inferior to solidly superior seems pretty fair in my opinion.
That there are quotes out there stating Jinn is a superior warrior than TPM Kenobi doesn’t refute my argument which was “if Qui-Gon is better the difference is slight.” As for Kenobi improving as he goes from Padawan to Jedi Master over 10+ years, I like to think that is common sense. But even if you don’t agree, as I brought up before, his duels against TCW Maul show he is significantly better.
Originally posted by Petrus
As of right now, Kanan's a barely-above-average Jedi Master and Ezra is an above-average padawan with considerable Force potential. I still think Ezra will be roughly = Maul by the end of the season, if Filoni continues down the path he is setting up for us.
I doubt it. I think that would be too fast a growth for Ezra. I mean whose even going to train him to that level?
Anyway Ezra has to grow to Kanan's level first, before he moves well and beyond that.
Originally posted by PetrusAnd of course TPM Maul isn't > TCW Maul. The question is how big the difference between their skills and power really is.
Probably not much. But if anyone's superior it will be TCW Maul.
Originally posted by SunRazerIt's not an appeal to ignorance lol, I already presented reasoning for why he has no basis for doubting that, on that other had what you're suggesting is conjecture.
Your "address" was an appeal to ignorance. We don't know when he realized somebody who rivaled his power could exist. This is Sidious. He's all about being the most powerful figure. Discovering Anakin could well be sort of shock that told him that there really were beings in the galaxy that could supersede him in power, in which case Maul obviously wouldn't be one of them. As I said, it's just a possibility - we have no way to know with Legends being dead now.
So let's move the point forwards. How can you quantify somebody who's "worthy of his power"? Palpatine is satisfied with what Maul can be become - but does that necessarily mean he can be as powerful as Palpatine? I know you're going to go back to the Plagueis example, but Sidious wasn't interested in ruling as equals with someone else. He desires supremacy and lordship.Actually given the evidence that Palpatine had no qualms in recruiting beings who could rival/surpass him, despite wanting to be top dog, has been covered ad infinitum, I'm not going to go over that again.
Besides that it's his character; he's a prideful, arrogant, uncompromising, unforgiving megalomaniac, he doesn't suffer incompetence or weakness, he callously disposes of that which isn't worthy and he entirely obsessive in his pursuit of power, both internal and external. It's also his history, each of his predecessors have taken under their fold the most powerful beings of the day, and the Rule of Two revolves around the uncompromising concentration of power in dual Sith vessels.
He's entirely predisposed to recruit an apprentice who'd rival his power, has attempted to do so several times, and no solid reasoning exists as to why he wouldn't in Maul's case.
For the record, Lucas seems to suggest that Maul could never match or surpass Palpatine in power.Lucas also suggested that Vader was a slow-robot man, and Kenobi a feeble geriatric, ideas evolve, especially without him dictating.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I doubt it. I think that would be too fast a growth for Ezra. I mean whose even going to train him to that level?Anyway Ezra has to grow to Kanan's level first, before he moves well and beyond that.
Of course, I think he was more aiming at how they are ruining Maul. Otherwise, yeah, Ezra's growing fast but even in regards to power he isn't even remotely close to the Inquisitors.