Originally posted by h1a8
This is not real life. If the writer wanted to show that someone is physically enhanced then they would showcase it and not have them solely use enhancing tools.
So you are making the incredibly stupid argument that no enhanced person would wear gear to increase their stats/power?
Then I challenge you to a BZ, do you accept?
Originally posted by h1a8
no comic is canon to MCU. Different universes.
You are so painfully wrong it's cringe-worthy. It's the same universe. The tie-ins are an established part of MCU cannon. They even copied some scenes directly out of CA:TWS, and put it in the comic, and provided the info on how Cap knew where to find Rumlow at the beginning of CA:CW. Seriously, do your research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_tie-in_comics
Originally posted by h1a8
You are claiming that shield enhanced his natural abilities as in some type of SSS.
There is absolutely no evidence to support this. Clearly, the writer would give something as evidence to support this.
Show me BW taser others with the exact same outfit on in the exact spot.
It's a real fact that tasers can be resisted by being strong willed.
I have never once claimed they enhanced him via some kind of SSS. Not once. I have explained in what way he was beyond normal human for his fight with Cap. I literally just said it was because of the piston arms, and because his nerves were dead and scarred up (due to what happened to him at the end of CA:TWS, when he got squashed by a friggin' helicarrier). Not one single time did I even mention SHIELD at all, while talking about Rumlow. To even suggest that is monumentally retarded, because he wasn't even a part of SHIELD at that point. So, keep lying.
And that's not how it works. You claimed her tasers can be tanked by being strong willed. She even KO'd herself once by using one of her taser pads on her own bare skin, in CA:TWS. She's also tasered Chitauri in the neck before, with great effect. Burden of proof is on you to show her tasers can be tanked via strong will. And, again, real life tasers have nothing to do with this. Real life tasers aren't made by fictional super-geniuses.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Why is there an argument about the suit? BW's tasers have affected BP through his suit, Antman through his suit as well as Rumlow's men.
This has been pointed out to H1, but he's decided that Rumlow having his nerves burned to a crisp has absolutely nothing to do with it, despite all the obvious indicators we are given. And now he is claiming it was simply "strong will", and is demanding I prove a negative to his claim. And not only is that expectation ridiculous, considering his only argument for it involves real life tasers (of which there is no proof that they are as strong or advanced as Natasha's), but the sheer notion that Black Widow would get sent into battle against high-tech HYDRA armies, aliens and metahumans with weapons some crazy or strong-willed human could tank is just stupid. Especially when none of them have been capable of doing so. Literally the only individual who has ever tanked her tasers without issue is Rumlow, but that doesn't matter to H1.
But not only that. Now this clown is blatantly lying about my statements regarding Rumlow's CA:CW abilities, which is easy to see for anyone who actually bothers to read my posts in this thread. But then, he has shown that he doesn't seem to read my posts properly before responding to them. I am seriously regretting taking him off Ignore.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you agree to the BZ?
At this point, I honestly think that he just isn't very bright. If he was, he'd realise that you never actually mentioned Crossbones, and was asking a question that applies generally. It could even apply to someone like Thor. He is super strong and super durable, but still wears Asgardian armour, and wields Mjolnir.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You are so painfully wrong it's cringe-worthy. It's the same universe. The tie-ins are an established part of MCU cannon. They even copied some scenes directly out of CA:TWS, and put it in the comic, and provided the info on how Cap knew where to find Rumlow at the beginning of CA:CW. Seriously, do your research.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_tie-in_comics
I have never once claimed they enhanced him via some kind of SSS. Not once. I have explained in what way he was beyond normal human for his fight with Cap. I literally just said it was because of the piston arms, and because his nerves were dead and scarred up (due to what happened to him at the end of CA:TWS, when he got squashed by a friggin' helicarrier). Not one single time did I even mention SHIELD at all, while talking about Rumlow. To even suggest that is monumentally retarded, because he wasn't even a part of SHIELD at that point. So, keep lying.
And that's not how it works. You claimed her tasers can be tanked by being strong willed. She even KO'd herself once by using one of her taser pads on her own bare skin, in CA:TWS. She's also tasered Chitauri in the neck before, with great effect. Burden of proof is on you to show her tasers can be tanked via strong will. And, again, real life tasers have nothing to do with this. Real life tasers aren't made by fictional super-geniuses.
You haven't shown BW tazering others with the same outfit in the same spot.
Like I said, it's possible that Rumlow was wearing clothing that is resistant against tazers since she was shown to tazer him in a covered area.
We simply can not be sure if his clothing did some of the resisting or it was just his strong will.
Her tazers consists of electric current. Materials that are not good conductors of electricity will have resistance.
Even then, how would him restisting tazers help him in his fight with Bane? Bane isn't going to taser him.
Originally posted by FrothByteThey affected Rumlow too. We are talking about being koed by them. My argument is that Rumlow neck covering provides some resistance, Rumlow wills through the rest. Show me tazering others with the exact same suit in the exact same area.
Why is there an argument about the suit? BW's tasers have affected BP through his suit, Antman through his suit as well as Rumlow's men.
Originally posted by h1a8
They affected Rumlow too. We are talking about being koed by them. My argument is that Rumlow neck covering provides some resistance, Rumlow wills through the rest. Show me tazering others with the exact same suit in the exact same area.
Ok so do you have any proof to back this up or is it just your theory?
Originally posted by h1a8
You haven't shown BW tazering others with the same outfit in the same spot.
Like I said, it's possible that Rumlow was wearing clothing that is resistant against tazers since she was shown to tazer him in a covered area.We simply can not be sure if his clothing did some of the resisting or it was just his strong will.
Her tazers consists of electric current. Materials that are not good conductors of electricity will have resistance.
Even then, how would him restisting tazers help him in his fight with Bane? Bane isn't going to taser him.
That's not how proof works. You made the claim. Burden of proof is on you to show it's true. You don't get to make claims, then demand specific examples, but then provide zero valid canonical MCU examples to support your claim, and only give vague responses. "It's possible" is not evidence. You have to show it's actually true, seeing as multiple people have actually pointed out the fact that she has tasered people (and aliens) through various materials, at various angles, throughout her career. And referencing real tasers is irrelevant. Go ahead and ask Imp. He will tell you that canonical fact takes precedence over the real life statements you are trying to drag into this. Unless you can prove that real life tasers are as potent as Black Widow's, seeing as you are the one trying to make the comparison, with your "strong will" argument. Until you actually prove these things, no one here is required to provide negatives to your claims.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so do you have any proof to back this up or is it just your theory?
He has no actual relevant, canonical proof. He is spewing out his opinion on what might be "possible", and then demanding people provide specific examples of it not happening to prove a negative to his assertions.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's not how proof works. You made the claim. Burden of proof is on you to show it's true. You don't get to make claims, then demand specific examples, but then provide zero valid canonical MCU examples to support your claim, and only give vague responses. "It's possible" is not evidence. You have to show it's actually [B]true, seeing as multiple people have actually pointed out the fact that she has tasered people (and aliens) through various materials, at various angles, throughout her career. And referencing real tasers is irrelevant. Go ahead and ask Imp. He will tell you that canonical fact takes precedence over the real life statements you are trying to drag into this. Unless you can prove that real life tasers are as potent as Black Widow's, seeing as you are the one trying to make the comparison, with your "strong will" argument. Until you actually prove these things, no one here is required to provide negatives to your claims. [/B]
I didn't make the original claim. I offered a possibility to destroy the original claim. My possibility is not a claim.
This is my 4th time saying this. Show me where she tazered someone with exact same gear in the exact same spot. Otherwise, the evidence is faulty.
Canonical fact does take precedence over anything. But you have to first establish canonical fact first. Its canonical fact that her tazers are electricity. It's not canonical fact that her tazers can't be willed through by some humans.
Otherwise, how do you explain what Rumlow did? His gear resisted it?
Originally posted by FrothByteThe proof is that she didn't tazer skin and he didn't get koed.
Ok so do you have any proof to back this up or is it just your theory?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He has no actual relevant, canonical proof. He is spewing out his opinion on what might be "possible", and then demanding people provide specific examples of it not happening to prove a negative to his assertions.
Possibility is a weapon against someone's claim.
That's what you guys been doing to me for a long time in every thread.
The bottles could have been filled.
Ozy could have anticipated the bullet and timed the trigger pull
Etc, etc
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make the original claim. I offered a possibility to destroy the original claim. My possibility is not a claim.This is my 4th time saying this. Show me where she tazered someone with exact same gear in the exact same spot. Otherwise, the evidence is faulty.
Canonical fact does take precedence over anything. But you have to first establish canonical fact first. Its canonical fact that her tazers are electricity. It's not canonical fact that her tazers can't be willed through by some humans.
Otherwise, how do you explain what Rumlow did? His gear resisted it?The proof is that she didn't tazer skin and he didn't get koed.
Unless you want to say he straight up willed through it?
I challenge you to a BZ in regards to your claims. loser is banned for 6 months.
Do you accept?
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make the original claim. I offered a possibility to destroy the original claim. My possibility is not a claim.
You said it was his suit in response to Robtard mentioning he took the taser.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is my 4th time saying this. Show me where she tazered someone with exact same gear in the exact same spot. Otherwise, the evidence is faulty.
Show me a human tanking tasers as powerful as hers, in the same area, without showing any visible negative effects.
Originally posted by h1a8
Canonical fact does take precedence over anything. But you have to first establish canonical fact first. Its canonical fact that her tazers are electricity. It's not canonical fact that her tazers can't be willed through by some humans.
Otherwise, how do you explain what Rumlow did? His gear resisted it?The proof is that she didn't tazer skin and he didn't get koed.
Unless you want to say he straight up willed through it?
People challenged you to BZ where the taser struck. You backed down. And I have already given my explanation. The guy's nerves were fried due to what happened at the end of TWS. Hence why he also said, "I don't work like that no more". But you gloss over it every single time. But if you insist, show at least one other MCU human tanking her tasers, like he did, via willpower. Otherwise, your claim has zero movie basis to go on.
Originally posted by h1a8
Possibility is a weapon against someone's claim.
That's what you guys been doing to me for a long time in every thread.The bottles could have been filled.
Ozy could have anticipated the bullet and timed the trigger pull
Etc, etc
And you totally dismissed everything the other people said. In fact, you accused them of trolling you (I never said shit about filled bottles or bullet anticipation, as has already been established). So, if you want to use that tactic here, you are basically conceding that they were right in the other threads. So, which one is it? Are you trolling now, or were they justified in their statements?