Originally posted by RobtardIts funny how a human character hanging with Cap is a good feat for them but not a shitty feat for Cap. IMO, if a character has no plot driven superhuman abilities then hanging with a plot driven superhuman of equal or more skill should be a low showing for the superhuman and not a good showing for the human.
Assuming Crossbones has his gear like in CA:CW. Crossbones held his own against Cap with a shield for a bit. Bane dies another horrible death.
In other words, a showing can be looked at in two different ways. Which way is more accurate?
Rumlow had heavy body armour, nigh-immunity to pain (he tanked an attack that even affected BP through his vibranium armour), and piston arms that amped his strength/striking power to superhuman levels (which also included a pair of retractable blades). But hey, let's pretend like he had no advantages that put him above a regular, highly skilled human. Also, Cap didn't actually have his shield. He had to toss it right at the beginning because Brock stuck a bomb on it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Its funny how a human character hanging with Cap is a good feat for them but not a shitty feat for Cap. IMO, if a character has no plot driven superhuman abilities then hanging with a plot driven superhuman of equal or more skill should be a low showing for the superhuman and not a good showing for the human.In other words, a showing can be looked at in two different ways. Which way is more accurate?
Based on screen feats.
Rumlow is a more skilled, and a faster fighter than Bane. If an over the hill not too impressive Baleman with a bad back and bad knees can get the best of Bane then Crossbones should have no problem beating Bane to a pulp.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Based on screen feats.Rumlow is a more skilled, and a faster fighter than Bane. If an over the hill not too impressive Baleman with a bad back and bad knees can get the best of Bane then Crossbones should have no problem beating Bane to a pulp.
The fact that he tries to act like Rumlow had no extra advantages above an un-enhanced human shows that he is either blatantly low-balling, or it lends more support to the notion that he hasn't actually watched the film in question.
Originally posted by InhumanThat has nothing to do with what I said . Try again
Based on screen feats.Rumlow is a more skilled, and a faster fighter than Bane. If an over the hill not too impressive Baleman with a bad back and bad knees can get the best of Bane then Crossbones should have no problem beating Bane to a pulp.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerSo a regular human with LESS SKILL hanging with Cap is a good feat for them or a bad showing for Cap?
The fact that he tries to act like Rumlow had no extra advantages above an un-enhanced human shows that he is either blatantly low-balling, or it lends more support to the notion that he hasn't actually watched the film in question.
He had superhuman damage soak and striking power. So, no, he wasn't "regular". But keep ignoring and dismissing that. You're only making yourself look bad. Or, otherwise, how about posting a clip of a "regular" MCU human sending someone sailing through the air with a punch, or tanking one of Widow's taser darts to the neck without showing any negative effects.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He had superhuman damage soak and striking power. So, no, he wasn't "regular". But keep ignoring and dismissing that. You're only making yourself look bad. Or, otherwise, how about posting a clip of a "regular" MCU human sending someone sailing through the air with a punch, or tanking one of Widow's taser darts to the neck without showing any negative effects.
Ya agreed here, Vault. If Crossbones from Civil War goes h2h against DKR Bane, Bane's record on KMC increases another value in the "L" column for sure.
It's obviously a lot closer if it's Winter Soldier Rumlow vs Bane: Bane could tank Rumlow's hits most likely until he gets a few swings in and does something like throw him down to the ground for a few head punches. I'd go with Bane in Rumlow WS scenario just because Rumlow only has the elevator fight and the brief Falcon tussle in WS.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Ya agreed here, Vault. If Crossbones from Civil War goes h2h against DKR Bane, Bane's record on KMC increases another value in the "L" column for sure.It's obviously a lot closer if it's Winter Soldier Rumlow vs Bane: Bane could tank Rumlow's hits most likely until he gets a few swings in and does something like throw him down to the ground for a few head punches. I'd go with Bane in Rumlow WS scenario just because Rumlow only has the elevator fight and the brief Falcon tussle in WS.
Yeah, I am personally not totally sold on pre-Crossbones Rumlow winning against Bane. But the one who could tank Widow's tasers and repeated hits from Cap (including multiple shots to the head), as well as send Steve airborne with strikes of his own, would be too much for Bane IMO.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I am personally not totally sold on pre-Crossbones Rumlow winning against Bane. But the one who could tank Widow's tasers and repeated hits from Cap (including multiple shots to the head), as well as send Steve airborne with strikes of his own, would be too much for Bane IMO.
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Originally posted by h1a8
So a regular human with LESS SKILL hanging with Cap is a good feat for them or a bad showing for Cap?
This is a valid question which deserves a proper answer, and the answer is this: we use the person with more consistent feats as the basis, the one we gauge off from. In this instance, Cap has far more feats so we use him as a base and compare Rumlow off him - in which case we can say it was a good feat for Rumlow.
Now if Rumlow had more feats than Cap which clearly showed him to be nothing more than average then we can say it was a bad showing for Cap. But this is not the case.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He had superhuman damage soak and striking power. So, no, he wasn't "regular". But keep ignoring and dismissing that. You're only making yourself look bad. Or, otherwise, how about posting a clip of a "regular" MCU human sending someone sailing through the air with a punch, or tanking one of Widow's taser darts to the neck without showing any negative effects.
Prove that he had superhuman damage soak and striking power.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Ya agreed here, Vault. If Crossbones from Civil War goes h2h against DKR Bane, Bane's record on KMC increases another value in the "L" column for sure.It's obviously a lot closer if it's Winter Soldier Rumlow vs Bane: Bane could tank Rumlow's hits most likely until he gets a few swings in and does something like throw him down to the ground for a few head punches. I'd go with Bane in Rumlow WS scenario just because Rumlow only has the elevator fight and the brief Falcon tussle in WS.
I'd like to add that Rumlow is clearly a very high ranking SHIELD agent, and we've seen in Agents of SHIELD just how good high-end SHIELD agents can be.
Bane has a good durability showing but did he really show that je was that skilled a fighter?