Bane vs. Crossbones

Originally posted by Inhuman
Lets address this misconception.
Bane is strong but not as much as you want people to think. It may seem like he busted through solid concrete in that pillar punch scene. That wasn't the case upon closer inspection. The pillar was NOT solid concrete.
Based "on the screen feat" the pillar composed more of a drywall type material, and not solid at all.

A solid concrete pillar does not behave that way when you punch it , no matter how strong you are.
So the pillar is a pillar made out of drywall or something very similar to that material.

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Lol. Now you are trolling. It's clear that's a concrete pillar. Drywall? Wtf. In that case Cap never hit real submarine or sent anyone flying.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol. Now you are trolling. It's clear that's a concrete pillar. Drywall? Wtf. In that case Cap never hit real submarine or sent anyone flying.

IOW, you've never heard of decorative building columns.

Bane doesn't need the pillar-punching feat to prove he's superhuman.

He's actually lifted an over two hundred pound man wearing body armour with a cape up over his head by the neck and walked with him.

There isn't a single human being alive who could manage that, barring maybe someone with bizarrely large hands and a significant height advantage. Probably not even then, considering the Thomas Inch dumbell is nearly impossible to lift even for big burly strongmen, due partly to its weight (172 pounds), but mostly because of how abnormally thick the handle is. Batman's neck is much thicker than the handle of the Thomas Inch (and the elasticity of skin wouldn't mean much when his neck is covered by some hard leathery material, I don't remember what it was made of), and Batman of course would be far heavier than the dumbell. IIRC only Mark Henry, one of the strongest men alive, has been confirmed to have lifted it over his head.

Lifting people like that isnt outside of the norm of Action starts like Arnold and Stalone. And they are not portrayed as super human in their movies.

Just watched the scene again . Its pretty much a fuqing choke slam hold with a slight walk. Wrestlers like the big show, Kane and The undertaker have done similar holds. Even if people want to argue that Banes was better because armor , the walk , blah blah blah or and any other small detail its not miles above what regular humans or actions starts have done that are not super human.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Lol. Now you are trolling. It's clear that's a concrete pillar. Drywall? Wtf. In that case Cap never hit real submarine or sent anyone flying.

That is NOT a "solid" concrete pillar. Solid concrete pillars dont behave in that way when you break a piece off by force.
Concrete pillars dont concave like that and have your arm inside of it like its hollow.

Get your ish together

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol. Now you are trolling. It's clear that's a concrete pillar. Drywall? Wtf. In that case Cap never hit real submarine or sent anyone flying.

Prove that it's concrete.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bane doesn't need the pillar-punching feat to prove he's superhuman.

He's actually lifted an over two hundred pound man wearing body armour with a cape up over his head by the neck and walked with him.

There isn't a single human being alive who could manage that, barring maybe someone with bizarrely large hands and a significant height advantage. Probably not even then, considering the Thomas Inch dumbell is nearly impossible to lift even for big burly strongmen, due partly to its weight (172 pounds), but mostly because of how abnormally thick the handle is. Batman's neck is much thicker than the handle of the Thomas Inch (and the elasticity of skin wouldn't mean much when his neck is covered by some hard leathery material, I don't remember what it was made of), and Batman of course would be far heavier than the dumbell. IIRC only Mark Henry, one of the strongest men alive, has been confirmed to have lifted it over his head.

Batman's armor shouldn't be that heavy. Even a knight's full plate armor is only 50 lbs.

Batman's high quality kevlar weave should weigh far lighter.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Lifting people like that isnt outside of the norm of Action starts like Arnold and Stalone. And they are not portrayed as super human in their movies.

Then those action stars are superhuman. When you came up with this point in your head, did you think it had any validity? Hate to break it to you sport, but it doesn't. I don't care how their movies try to "portray" them, by feats they are much stronger than any human, and IIRC much stronger than Rumlow (does he have any superhuman feats?).

Cassandra Cain is a "normal human being", but only a total retard would try to deny her superhuman abilities.

[qupte]Just watched the scene again . Its pretty much a fuqing choke slam hold with a slight walk. Wrestlers like the big show, Kane and The undertaker have done similar holds. Even if people want to argue that Banes was better because armor , the walk , blah blah blah or and any other small detail its not miles above what regular humans or actions starts have done that are not super human.[/quote]

Afraid not friend. Bane held Batman into the air and walked with him with a single arm. A chokeslam, like you see on WWE, requires the use of another hand on the opponent's back or grabbing the top of their pants to perform the move, or in the case of a one-handed chokeslam, it is essentially just a hard push upward onto their opponent (where their opponent helps kick off the ground to give them momentum).

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Bane did have his hand on Batman's back at the start, but dropped it soon after.

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At 1:50 you see Bane's hand leave Batman's back, then he performs the feat single-handedly.

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Any strongman can lift that manlet over their head with one hand, because there is nothing compromising their grip. Only one (last time I checked anyway) man has definitely been able to lift the Thomas Inch dumbell over his head, which is a less impressive feat than Bane neck lifting Batman. 🙂

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Meh, doesn't really matter if Bane is as strong as you say. If Rumlow fights anything like the other top SHIELD agents we've seen then Bane's strength won't stop him from getting outfought. Won't be an easy fight but Bane and Batman are too low on the skill scale compared to other movie fighters to pose much of a fight in these mvf matches.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh, doesn't really matter if Bane is as strong as you say. If Rumlow fights anything like the other top SHIELD agents we've seen then Bane's strength won't stop him from getting outfought. Won't be an easy fight but Bane and Batman are too low on the skill scale compared to other movie fighters to pose much of a fight in these mvf matches.

Especially since according to h1, Rumlow is far faster than Bane.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Especially since according to h1, Rumlow is far faster than Bane.

Correct. Since according to H1's implied speed logic, being able to keep up with an enhanced super soldier makes Rumlow far faster than Bane who was only keeping up with an old Batman weighed down with armor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prove that it's concrete.

Based on how it broke apart when struck, it was likely a faux concrete exterior.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Based on how it broke apart when struck, it was likely a faux concrete exterior.

It looked like drywall to be honest. Pure concrete doesn't tear like that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It looked like drywall to be honest. Pure concrete doesn't tear like that.

Faux concrete isn't real concrete. It's just made to look like it. It's actually not uncommon in real life, when people want the look, but can't afford the real thing, or the real thing is impractical.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Lifting people like that isnt outside of the norm of Action starts like Arnold and Stalone. And they are not portrayed as super human in their movies.

Just watched the scene again . Its pretty much a fuqing choke slam hold with a slight walk. Wrestlers like the big show, Kane and The undertaker have done similar holds. Even if people want to argue that Banes was better because armor , the walk , blah blah blah or and any other small detail its not miles above what regular humans or actions starts have done that are not super human.

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That is NOT a "solid" concrete pillar. Solid concrete pillars dont behave in that way when you break a piece off by force.
Concrete pillars dont concave like that and have your arm inside of it like its hollow.

Get your ish together

This is a movie. Of course it's not real concrete. It's a prop. You think the actor is going to bust REAL CONCRETE? Just like Cap punches the glass in the submarine didn't act like real submarine glass. It's clear to be a concrete pillar though. Look at the pillar in the scene before Bane punches it. It's looks like solid marble like concrete. Threads like this aren't worth debating when so many will ALWAYS downplay and discredit feats and not treat both characters fairly.

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It's obvious you are looking to discredit Banes feat because you painstakingly watched the scene combing for things you can discredit. When everyone watched the movie, NO ONE ever said to themselves that wasn't real concrete. We all were amazed of how powerful Bane was. All of us! How do the average person know how real concrete reacts when being busted? Almost every feat in movies can be busted using real science. A real jeep doesn't react that way when kicked (cap). I can comb every feat by Cap and discredit most.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a movie. Of course it's not real concrete. It's a prop. You think the actor is going to bust REAL CONCRETE? Just like Cap punches the glass in the submarine didn't act like real submarine glass. It's clear to be a concrete pillar though. Look at the pillar in the scene before Bane punches it. It's looks like solid marble like concrete. Threads like this aren't worth debating when so many will ALWAYS downplay and discredit feats and not treat both characters fairly.

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It's obvious you are looking to discredit Banes feat because you painstakingly watched the scene combing for things you can discredit. When everyone watched the movie, NO ONE ever said to themselves that wasn't real concrete. We all were amazed of how powerful Bane was. All of us! How do the average person know how real concrete reacts when being busted? Almost every feat in movies can be busted using real science. A real jeep doesn't react that way when kicked (cap). I can comb every feat by Cap and discredit most.

Looks like a decorative column to me, do you have any proof that it was meant to be real concrete?

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a movie. Of course it's not real concrete. It's a prop. You think the actor is going to bust REAL CONCRETE? Just like Cap punches the glass in the submarine didn't act like real submarine glass. It's clear to be a concrete pillar though. Look at the pillar in the scene before Bane punches it. It's looks like solid marble like concrete. Threads like this aren't worth debating when so many will ALWAYS downplay and discredit feats and not treat both characters fairly.

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It's obvious you are looking to discredit Banes feat because you painstakingly watched the scene combing for things you can discredit. When everyone watched the movie, NO ONE ever said to themselves that wasn't real concrete. We all were amazed of how powerful Bane was. All of us! How do the average person know how real concrete reacts when being busted? Almost every feat in movies can be busted using real science. A real jeep doesn't react that way when kicked (cap). I can comb every feat by Cap and discredit most.

Your mistake is trying to mix the real world with movies. No one is talking about the real world or whatever props they used. What we're saying is that in the movie, based on what they showed us, Bane punched a hole through a decorative pillar. If they had wanted to make us believe is was concrete then they would have made it look like concrete. Since they made it look like faux concrete then that's what we'll assume it was unless proven otherwise.

Originally posted by Silent Master
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Originally posted by FrothByte
Your mistake is trying to mix the real world with movies. No one is talking about the real world or whatever props they used. What we're saying is that in the movie, based on what they showed us, Bane punched a hole through a decorative pillar. If they had wanted to make us believe is was concrete then they would have made it look like concrete. Since they made it look like faux concrete then that's what we'll assume it was unless proven otherwise.

h1 is just trying to distract you from the fact that he once again tried to claim his opinion = fact.

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1 is just trying to distract you from the fact that he once again tried to claim his opinion = fact.

He pulled this crap with the Miyagi thread. Said that his proof that the beer bottles were empty were because these were obviously prop bottles used in the movie set. Who the hell debates like this in a movie fight forum?