Ben Kenobi >> Darth Vader?

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tho maybe Tenebrous could be higher

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Originally posted by ILS
DOG>Maul > Ben > DE Sidious > Plagueis > Krayt > Caedus > Vader >/= Tenebrous > Dooku >/= Venamis > Bane > Valkorion > Revan > Nihilus

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Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by ILS
If only that were explicitly true, and an infallible source. 🙂
Yeah, if only he was stonewalled by someone who got beat by Vader, on a nexus.

Oh. 🙂

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?

cs_zoltan Senior Member

Here's one that supports it 👆

Back on the Rebel base on Coruscant, Luke Skywalker tested Kyp's Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest presence he had known since his Masters Obi-Wan and Yoda.
--The Essential Guide to Characters

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Azronger
Could somebody just post the quotes that contradict this notion?
"Your powers are weak old man." 🙂

Azronger Azronger Reborn
Originally posted by Beniboybling
"Your powers are weak old man." 🙂

That was in reference to lightsaber combat:

He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.

Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."

-Death Star

So, it doesn't contradict the quote.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak. 😬

cs_zoltan Senior Member

Or maybe he was taunting him.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Based on what he felt yeah.

cs_zoltan Senior Member

Az's quote says otherwise 🙂

Beniboybling Worst Member

Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value. 🙂

Azronger Azronger Reborn
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Or maybe it was through lightsaber combat that Vader concluded his powers were weak. 😬

No, he felt he was out of practise. What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.

Azronger Azronger Reborn
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Az's quote is neither Legends nor Canon, and therefore has no value. 🙂

I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Azronger
No, he felt he was out of practise. What he meant by "powers" was his dueling skill, as strange as the wording is.
That's in a different paragraph so no, and in the ANH novelisation he says it before they even start fighting, Kenobi retorting by saying Vader only feels part of the Force so again no.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Azronger
I guess it does take a back seat in terms of canonicity, but unless something is found that contradicts it, I don't see why it should be dismissed.
It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.

Azronger Azronger Reborn
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's not a case of dismissing it, but taking it seriously in the first place.

Why wouldn't you? I don't see why Ben being 50 % stronger than Vader is an outrageous notion or anything.

ares834 Senior Member

The entire SW cosmology has changed since then lol. Shit, at this time, Lucas is saying Yoda is not a “real Jedi” and he would get his ass kicked by Vader.