Originally posted by FrothByte
Look H1, you can use visual, implied or whatever other variant of speed you want, WS is still faster than Bane. He looks faster, he's stated as faster, he's implied faster, and he has feats demonstrating him to be faster.Just give it up. No amount of twisting the word "speed" is going to make Bane faster than WS.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Look at that, I asked for proof and h1 suddenly disappears. I wonder if the two are related. 😇
Or he realised that his "Cap was below peak" argument was dumb and pointless. Because, using that logic, anyone else could say that Bucky clearly wasn't at his peak for the TWS end fight, seeing as he performed better during both his other encounters with Cap.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not valid, otherwise real professional fighters would stomp these characters. Professional fighters are way faster than the average human (almost actors).
Originally posted by h1a8If a character uses flashy moves, then it's part of their fighting style.
How they fight is irrelevant to an extent too. Movies strive for flashiness, not actual effectiveness. In real life, some of those flashy moves have a very low percentage of even working.
Maybe it's justified by the circumstances, or it works because the person is superhuman, but it's part of their fighting style.
Originally posted by h1a8Then you have a lot of options, don't you?
Post the feat where Batman koes multiple thugs in seconds? He did that in every movie.
Anyway post the feat which in your opinion makes Batman more skilled than Bucky/Cap.
Originally posted by h1a8
Humans can run faster than cars if they are moving under 10mph or any speed under 20 mph. I already proven the speed of the cars. WS landed about 12 feet away from a car. It still managed to easily swerve away. The cars were very close to each other at multiple times (giving evidence to heavy traffic) and VISUALLY, in one scene you clearly see the car moving around 10mph in relation to a column. Remember, visual speed is valid, according to you.
2) Even if the cars were going at 15 mph, Cap speed in relation to the car would easily clock him at 30+ mph.
Originally posted by Nevan
Batroc's actor is literally a professional fighter, and his fight with Cap wasn't him dodging every hit from Cap while hitting him every time.If a character uses flashy moves, then it's part of their fighting style.
Maybe it's justified by the circumstances, or it works because the person is superhuman, but it's part of their fighting style.
Then you have a lot of options, don't you?Anyway post the feat which in your opinion makes Batman more skilled than Bucky/Cap.
1) Post your analysis.
2) Even if the cars were going at 15 mph, Cap speed in relation to the car would easily clock him at 30+ mph.
Pierre was moving far slower than in a real fight. Remember he's acting, not fighting for real.
I disagree with fighting style theory. Otherwise every character would lose to a real UFC fighter. And also, we have characters doing different shit from scene to scene that contradicts a particular style. Regardless, Bane and Batman are masters of the league of shadows. Suspension of disbelief tells us that they are a billion times more skilled than what we see.
I have a question. For you to ask me to post basic knowledge stuff, what's your reasoning? Do you already have the scenes in mind and plan to rebut them or is it you never seen or remember Batman beat multiple thugs or enemies simultaneously ? What are your intentions?
I posted my analysis several times. It's a lot of work.
Just look at the highway scene on YouTube. Look at the scene where WS drops down about 12 feet in front of a white car. Look at the white car easily swerve out of his way. Then Look at the car to the left (I believe green) in the same instance, it's only a few feet behind the other car. Start there. That should be enough.
Originally posted by h1a8
Regardless, Bane and Batman are masters of the league of shadows. Suspension of disbelief tells us that they are a billion times more skilled than what we see.
This is laughable. You want to use suspension of disbelief in favor of Batman and Bane but at the same time trying to downplay all of Caps or WS's feats lol. Like saying that you speculate that the cars were traveling at 5 miles an hour.
League of shadows means close to nothing other than fodder martial artists. Shield agents have far more impressive feats than any League of shadows member.
And for the millionth fuqing time speculation, imagination, personal opinions, suspension of disbelief , etc, doesnt fly in these vs fights.
Originally posted by InhumanMasters from the league of shadows can easily defeat a gang of thugs within seconds. This is far from fodder MA. Any top professional fighter will lose against a horde of thugs.
This is laughable. You want to use suspension of disbelief in favor of Batman and Bane but at the same time trying to downplay all of Caps or WS's feats lol. Like saying that you speculate that the cars were traveling at 5 miles an hour.League of shadows means close to nothing other than fodder martial artists. Shield agents have far more impressive feats than any League of shadows member.
And for the millionth fuqing time speculation, imagination, personal opinions, suspension of disbelief , etc, doesnt fly in these vs fights.
I didn't speculate anything. I stated facts only. Traffic was simply heavy and cars were moving slower than usual.
Originally posted by h1a8
Masters from the league of shadows can easily defeat a gang of thugs within seconds. This is far from fodder MA. Any top professional fighter will lose against a horde of thugs.
A gang of thugs from the Nolan verse are like the lowest kind of fodder, they act like retards. Not hard for anyone with any little skill to take out a bunch of them. From them fighting like retards to them falling on their own to them shooting the floor not knowing how to aim, etc. This can be proven by on screen feats.
League of shadows have shown to be regular martial arts fodder. Post screen feats that show their awesome skill and how formidable they are.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't speculate anything. I stated facts only. Traffic was simply heavy and cars were moving slower than usual.
I can post the scene and prove that the cars were not in a traffic jam or bumper to bumper if you want to discuss this.
See the way it works is that if I claim something that seems false about a character , I better be ready with proof of my claims of else its just speculation and personal theories.
The pillar Bane broke was a drywall pillar. I posted proof showing what I claimed to back up my statement. I can also post regular people in the real world breaking concrete bricks with their hands, legs, and head if you want. They are far from being superhuman and they can break concrete bricks just fine.
Ive said that Batman and Bane fight slow and retarded with low skill. And I have posted proof of this. Its not just my theory.
All your arguments rely on theories and speculation on how you think things should be. The problem with that is that shit cant be proven with any screen feats to back up your statements. Its just dumb speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8Doesn't seem like it to me.
Pierre was moving far slower than in a real fight. Remember he's acting, not fighting for real.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with fighting style theory. Otherwise every character would lose to a real UFC fighter. And also, we have characters doing different shit from scene to scene that contradicts a particular style. Regardless, Bane and Batman are masters of the league of shadows. Suspension of disbelief tells us that they are a billion times more skilled than what we see.
2) Which tells us that they are more skilled than the mooks, but not much else.
Originally posted by h1a8
I have a question. For you to ask me to post basic knowledge stuff, what's your reasoning? Do you already have the scenes in mind and plan to rebut them or is it you never seen or remember Batman beat multiple thugs or enemies simultaneously ? What are your intentions?
2) For analysis.
Originally posted by h1a8
I posted my analysis several times. It's a lot of work.
Just look at the highway scene on YouTube. Look at the scene where WS drops down about 12 feet in front of a white car. Look at the white car easily swerve out of his way. Then Look at the car to the left (I believe green) in the same instance, it's only a few feet behind the other car. Start there. That should be enough.
2) The second part is not proper analysis.
Originally posted by Inhuman
A gang of thugs from the Nolan verse are like the lowest kind of fodder, they act like retards. Not hard for anyone with any little skill to take out a bunch of them. From them fighting like retards to them falling on their own to them shooting the floor not knowing how to aim, etc. This can be proven by on screen feats.
League of shadows have shown to be regular martial arts fodder. Post screen feats that show their awesome skill and how formidable they are.I can post the scene and prove that the cars were not in a traffic jam or bumper to bumper if you want to discuss this.
See the way it works is that if I claim something that seems false about a character , I better be ready with proof of my claims of else its just speculation and personal theories.
The pillar Bane broke was a drywall pillar. I posted proof showing what I claimed to back up my statement. I can also post regular people in the real world breaking concrete bricks with their hands, legs, and head if you want. They are far from being superhuman and they can break concrete bricks just fine.
Ive said that Batman and Bane fight slow and retarded with low skill. And I have posted proof of this. Its not just my theory.All your arguments rely on theories and speculation on how you think things should be. The problem with that is that shit cant be proven with any screen feats to back up your statements. Its just dumb speculation.
So basically you are a bias debater. You downplay any feat you don't like and go against the intentions of the writer and against the suspension of disbelief. Look at the scene right before Bane busted the column. The column was complete solid marble concrete. In the scene where he busted the column the material changed. This is because since the actor can't actually bust frigging concrete they inserted a prop material to give the effect. Your argument is so silly it's like saying that Cap didn't bust through real glass because it was a prop. It was intended to be real glass and real concrete for the story. The scene before it proves it.
Thugs are thugs, just like bullets are bullets. Bad acting doesn't take away the intentions or the suspension of disbelief. Do you think that the writer believes that Batman can't beat a horde of REAL thugs the same?
In some scenes the cars were shown bumper to bumper. In some scene a white car was shown to easily evade WS. In other scenes the cars were shown moving very slowly (this is where you are having double standards since you are arguing with me on visual speed).
Originally posted by h1a8
So basically you are a bias debater. You downplay any feat you don't like and go against the intentions of the writer and against the suspension of disbelief. Look at the scene right before Bane busted the column. The column was complete solid marble concrete. In the scene where he busted the column the material changed. This is because since the actor can't actually bust frigging concrete they inserted a prop material to give the effect. Your argument is so silly it's like saying that Cap didn't bust through real glass because it was a prop. It was intended to be real glass and real concrete for the story. The scene before it proves it.Thugs are thugs, just like bullets are bullets. Bad acting doesn't take away the intentions or the suspension of disbelief. Do you think that the writer believes that Batman can't beat a horde of REAL thugs the same?
In some scenes the cars were shown bumper to bumper. In some scene a white car was shown to easily evade WS. In other scenes the cars were shown moving very slowly (this is where you are having double standards since you are arguing with me on visual speed).
You expect me to debate movie characters with their on screen performances and feats vs your speculation , and imaginary ideas that were not shown in the movie?
Lol. Thanks for clearing that up. This will always be pointless because you want to debate with your personal ideas or stuff that isn't seen in the movies. We just all have to speculate and trust your interpretation of the characters and events and take your world for it.
Great fuqing debating skills you have there. A waste of time as usual. On screen feats and what is shown in the movie >>>>>>personal fan fiction.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Have you noticed that h1 only wants to use "writer's intention" when it helps his argument?
Yes, it's all a waste of time trying to debate characters with what was shown in the movies versus his imagination and speculation on what he thinks the writers meant or what he thinks the characters should be capable of based on his personal speculation, not what was shown in the movies.
If you are bothering yourself to start digging for old topics when there are plenty or recent ones , yeah then I would think that's a bit salty. If it was to simply bring up H1's sucky posts like Nib said in another topic, a simple link would have been enough without bumping a more than a year old thread