Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
LMAO, so you haven't seen CA:CW. Thanks for proving this once and for all.
I should report you for trolling. You have to address what I said.
Everything I said was shown in the scene. Obviously I rewatched the scene before my last post. Notice, how detailed I explained what happened.
Cap was trying to control the chip (it wasn't a complete fair fight)
Cap was shot in the side (he was injured and not 100%)
WS didn't beat Cap (which makes everything you said irrelevant)
Cap won in the end (which disproves your entire argument)
So how does it prove the opposite again?
Originally posted by h1a8
I should report you for trolling. You have to address what I said.
Everything I said was shown in the scene. Obviously I rewatched the scene before my last post. Notice, how detailed I explained what happened.Cap was trying to control the chip (it wasn't a complete fair fight)
Cap was shot in the side (he was injured and not 100%)
WS didn't beat Cap (which makes everything you said irrelevant)
Cap won in the end (which disproves your entire argument)So how does it prove the opposite again?
Go ahead, report me. See what happens. All you keep doing by posting this is proving my point further. I am talking about a completely different fight. A fight that happened in a different movie altogether (CA:CW). A fight where both were unarmed and fully fit. Their actual last fight, in which everything I stated happened.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Go ahead, report me. See what happens. All you keep doing by posting this is proving my point further. I am talking about a completely different fight. A fight that happened in a different movie altogether (CA:CW). A fight where both were unarmed and fully fit. Their actual last fight, in which everything I stated happened.
Ok, why didn't you say in CW. In that fight Bucky didn't beat Cap. The fight was inconclusive. In other fights, it clearly shows Cap is his better.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, why didn't you say in CW. In that fight Bucky didn't beat Cap. The fight was inconclusive. In other fights, it clearly shows Cap is his better.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
lol Except it's not "a little bit", Cap mostly used his shield when Bucky was using other weapons, and he got the better of Cap during their last one-on-one H2H encounter. He very clearly did NOT lose that one. Anyone who actually watched CA:CW knows this (which I highly doubt you have, despite your claims). So, that kills your whole argument. A metal arm means nothing if you don't have the actual skill to use it effectively and land hits with it. And that's also without even considering multiple director's comments, the guys who made the film and chose how the characters were going to be portrayed.
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Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
LMAO, so you haven't seen CA:CW. Thanks for proving this once and for all.
You were saying?
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, why didn't you say in CW. In that fight Bucky didn't beat Cap. The fight was inconclusive. In other fights, it clearly shows Cap is his better.
I said it was from CA:CW more than once. And I said he got the better of him. One person lying at the bottom of an elevator shaft while the other walks off without problems makes it clear who came out better. And you said he loses in H2H "every time". This is clearly proven to be false by that fight. But if you want to label that "inconclusive", then their highway fight from TWS most definitely is. Both opponents were still standing and ready to go when first Falcon, and then Black Widow, intervened, making it 3-on-1, which prompted WS to leave.
Also, if what Bucky did to Cap is not a win, but "inconclusive", then I guess Baleman didn't beat the Joker, and their fight was also "inconclusive", seeing as all Baleman actually did was toss Joker over a ledge. Not to mention Joker paused to chat, and pull out his remote detonator, and Baleman had to use his gauntlet projectiles on Joker to help him get the advantage.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerCap wasn't prepared for something like that. It was out of the blue. That's why he was shown not fighting at his best. He fought 10 times better when he was prepared and just as determined as WS. In normal circumstances where both are determined Cap would do a lot better.
I said it was from CA:CW more than once. And I said he got the better of him. One person lying at the bottom of an elevator shaft while the other walks off without problems makes it clear who came out better. And you said he loses in H2H "every time". This is clearly proven to be false by that fight. But if you want to label that "inconclusive", then their highway fight from TWS most definitely is. Both opponents were still standing and ready to go when first Falcon, and then Black Widow, intervened, making it 3-on-1, which prompted WS to leave.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap wasn't prepared for something like that. It was out of the blue. That's why he was shown not fighting at his best. He fought 10 times better when he was prepared and just as determined as WS. In normal circumstances where both are determined Cap would do a lot better.
He knew something was wrong (which is why he specifically went down to see), and just watched Bucky floor Sam in 5 seconds flat. He was in a building full of innocent people, and wanted to make sure no one else got hurt by WS. It's the whole reason he wanted to go after Bucky in in the first place, instead of sending anyone else, because he didn't want others to get hurt in the crossfire (this is clearly established in an earlier conversation between him and Black Widow, as well as an earlier conversation between him and Bucky). Not to mention WS's priority wasn't fighting. It was escaping, as made clear by the fact that all his actions pushed him further to his goal, getting to the helicopter on the roof. And, even if I humour your excuse, that, at best, leaves the bout undecided which, again, contradicts your claim that Bucky "loses H2H every time".
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerThe only thing that contradicts my claim is showing WS koing or killing Cap in a h2h fight. All the attacks WS threw at Cap were not better than anything he did against Cap at other times. Cap fought below his best by a long shot.
He knew something was wrong (which is why he specifically went down to see), and just watched Bucky floor Sam in 5 seconds flat. He was in a building full of innocent people, and wanted to make sure no one else got hurt by WS. It's the whole reason he wanted to go after Bucky in in the first place, instead of sending anyone else, because he didn't want others to get hurt in the crossfire (this is clearly established in an earlier conversation between him and Black Widow, as well as an earlier conversation between him and Bucky). Not to mention WS's priority wasn't fighting. It was escaping, as made clear by the fact that all his actions pushed him further to his goal, getting to the helicopter on the roof. And, even if I humour your excuse, that, at best, leaves the bout undecided which, again, contradicts your claim that Bucky "loses H2H every time".
My claim pertains to a forum fight, not a movie fight. This is because you guys use characters fighting at their best (you use only high end showings and ignore all other showings).
Originally posted by h1a8
The only thing that contradicts my claim is showing WS koing or killing Cap in a h2h fight. All the attacks WS threw at Cap were not better than anything he did against Cap at other times. Cap fought below his best by a long shot.My claim pertains to a forum fight, not a movie fight. This is because you guys use characters fighting at their best (you use only high end showings and ignore all other showings).
Why are you lying? you were clearly talking about their movie fights, I can easily post your quotes and ask a mod for a ruling. loser gets banned for 6 months.
Are you game?
Originally posted by h1a8
The only thing that contradicts my claim is showing WS koing or killing Cap in a h2h fight. All the attacks WS threw at Cap were not better than anything he did against Cap at other times. Cap fought below his best by a long shot.My claim pertains to a forum fight, not a movie fight. This is because you guys use characters fighting at their best (you use only high end showings and ignore all other showings).
Wow, so blatant dishonesty now. You are basing your argument on their CA:TWS end fight, a movie fight. And one which involved plot elements. Like Cap only getting a notable advantage after WS took his focus off him to grab the targeting chip (which also prevented him from fighting back with that hand), or the fact that Bucky was only unconscious long enough for Cap to put enough distance between them to just get to the computer console in time to save the day. And ironic how you try to throw the high end argument at other people, when you are trying to dismiss a fight where Cap didn't come out best, because it basically doesn't suit your stance, while focusing on one other fight where he did. Hypocrite much?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why are you lying? you were clearly talking about their movie fights, I can easily post your quotes and ask a mod for a ruling. loser gets banned for 6 months.Are you game?
Notice how he accuses other people of using high ends only, while trying to focus on just the fight where Cap won, while trying to dismiss the ones where they either stalemated or Cap came out second best?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Notice how he accuses other people of using high ends only, while trying to focus on just the fight where Cap won, while trying to dismiss the ones where they either stalemated or Cap came out second best?
h1 always uses high end feats, for his characters at least. he uses low to mid for the other side.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerIm not throwing the high end argument at people. I'm just suggesting you be consistent. Cap clearly wasn't at his best. Thus the showing doesn't hold much evidence towards WS beating him in a h2h fight.
Wow, so blatant dishonesty now. You are basing your argument on their CA:TWS end fight, a movie fight. And one which involved plot elements. Like Cap only getting a notable advantage after WS took his focus off him to grab the targeting chip (which also prevented him from fighting back with that hand), or the fact that Bucky was only unconscious long enough for Cap to put enough distance between them to just get to the computer console in time to save the day. And ironic how you try to throw the high end argument at other people, when you are trying to dismiss a fight where Cap didn't come out best, because it basically doesn't suit your stance, while focusing on one other fight where he did. Hypocrite much?