Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm wrong? I didn't see where OP said Hulk could amp his strength.Oh, I know it's part of his powerset. But then, so is superspeed/flight.
Point being, it's very difficult to quantify how much of Superman's feats are based on his speed/flight. After all, when pushing planets/moons/whatever, he's usually flying. So SOME thrust is being provided by his 'flying muscle'.
Just as an example:
A small scale feat, relative to the others in this thread, sure - but it illustrates my point. How much of his pulling is due to his arm/shoulder/back muscles, and how much is due to his flight?
They didn't move the planet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course they did. They were failing to keep it in orbit as due to no water on earth, earth kept spinning out of orbit.
I'm aware the Earth was spinning out of Orbit because of Gamamnae.
Wally tried to speed steals from the Planet to keep it in place the same time the powerhouses tried to hold it in place.
They failed. Kyle put it back in orbit. If they were keeping it in Orbit, Wally wouldn't have had to speed steal from the planet the next page after their straining. Or Kyle wouldn't have had to set it right. Reason why Noone provides the context.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
No they didn't, the Earth wasn't shown to be moved therfore they didn't.
That's simply idiotic. The earth was already out of Orbit and then they dragged it there but unable to keep it in orbit due to no water on earth.
I'm aware the Earth was spinning out of Orbit because of Gamamnae.
No, it was due to no water on earth.
Wally tried to speed steals from the Planet to keep it in place the same time the powerhouses tried to hold it in place.
Wally was only using the kinetic energy they were generating, it was clearly stated as well.
They failed. Kyle put it back in orbit. If they were keeping it in Orbit, Wally wouldn't have had to speed steal from the planet the next page after their straining. Or Kyle wouldn't have had to set it right. Reason why Noone provides the context.
You don't even know what happened, do you? Kyle did not put the earth in orbit, Monitou Raven sacrificed himself to put all water on earth back again which re-stabilized earth and resurrected Kyle.
Or do you think Kyle really became that big and held Earth in his palm like every other idiot?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's simply idiotic. The earth was already out of Orbit and then they dragged it there but unable to keep it in orbit due to no water on earth.No, it was due to no water on earth.
Wally was only using the kinetic energy they were generating, it was clearly stated as well.
You don't even know what happened, do you? Kyle did not put the earth in orbit, Monitou Raven sacrificed himself to put all water on earth back again which re-stabilized earth and resurrected Kyle.
Or do you think Kyle really became that big and held Earth in his palm like every other idiot?
When was it shown to be back in orbit. Your adding in your own personal interpretation of what wasn't shown in the comic. Anyone could say something they don't like to hear is idiotic it's not much of an excelent debate point.
Logically I go by what's shown not what I want to add in. And what was shown was the Earth going out of Orbit, and them being unable to keep it in position. Hence Kyle putting it back. If you want to add in your own fanwritten twist that's fine.
Everything your saying is speculative. Cause you can't honestly say they moved it in Obsidian Age and show a scan to prove it.
Because this is what happened
https://m.imgur.com/a/ReCIO
And we see no movement of the planet, or them keeping the planet in place, which is what they were trying to do.
Hence Wally Speed stealing the PLANET to landlock it.
And ironically Superman even stating they couldn't keep it in place.
"We were loosing it"
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have a scan of the water having anything to do with that?
The problem is they were trying to keep it in orbit.
Superman states they were unable to.
Kyle puts it back.
I'd assume the scans weren't posted cause they don't favor his vision of what happened.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
When was it shown to be back in orbit. Your adding in your own personal interpretation of what wasn't shown in the comic. Anyone could say something they don't like to hear is idiotic it's not much of an excelent debate point.
Nothing personal here. Just what happened in the comic.
Superman said they were losing Earth back from its orbit, not that they failed to move it.
Logically I go by what's shown not what I want to add in. And what was shown was the Earth going out of Orbit, and them being unable to keep it in position. Hence Kyle putting it back. If you want to add in your own fanwritten twist that's fine.
Haha, right. And where was Kyle putting it back in the orbit? Where a crow is on his shoulder bigger than Earth?
Here is the entire scene, start from finish. Read it carefully before spewing bullshit.
Everything your saying is speculative. Cause you can't honestly say they moved it in Obsidian Age and show a scan to prove it.
Of course there is. Here you go.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32705268/jla_75_-_kebbin_49.jpg.html
"Thanks to Big Guns, especially GL there is no wobble in Earth's rotation"
Because this is what happened
https://m.imgur.com/a/ReCIO
Maybe if you used your own mind and not someone else saying something, you could actually do something about that, eh?
And we see no movement of the planet, or them keeping the planet in place, which is what they were trying to do.
Yeah, that's what happened./sarcasm.
Hence Wally Speed stealing the PLANET to landlock it.
He was compensating for the pressure they were generating.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32705255/jla_75_-_kebbin_41.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32705262/jla_75_-_kebbin_42.jpg.html
"You sure this won't make things worse."
"Batman has already compensated for the stress we are putting on Earth's surface."
Way to go guys, why stress if there was no movement at all?
And ironically Superman even stating they couldn't keep it in place.
"We were loosing it"
Yes, which happened after they dragged the planet back into orbit. How do you lose something which didn't even occurred as you claim? If they didn't even move the planet, they should be saying "We failed to move the planet".
Do you feel like you proved you were right? Or are you unaware that none of those scan shows them moving the Earth's weight..
Which is the issue. Anyone can read the comic and see they're never shown to move the Earth's weight. They were trying to keep it in orbit they were failing. Kyle saved the day.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have a scan of the water having anything to do with that?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
https://m.imgur.com/a/ReCIOThe problem is they were trying to keep it in orbit.
Superman states they were unable to.
Kyle puts it back.
I'd assume the scans weren't posted cause they don't favor his vision of what happened.
You think this actually means there was a crow bigger than Earth parched on Kyle's shoulder?
That's a literally a metaphor. Here is how the water was restored and earth was stabilized.
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I seen the scene where Kyle puts it back into place. I just wanted to see something that brought up water preventing them from moving it
"Accursed water will be undoing of this world, it will upset her orbit and hurl it into black eternity."
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Do you feel like you proved you were right? Or are you unaware that none of those scan shows them moving the Earth's weight..
Of course they did. Here it is.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/32705255/jla_75_-_kebbin_41.jpg.html
Do you want motion lines to be drawn there?
Which is the issue. Anyone can read the comic and see they're never shown to move the Earth's weight. They were trying to keep it in orbit they were failing. Kyle saved the day.
The planet was already knocked out of Orbit, they dragged it back there and then losing it. But they were already weakened due to being dead and resurrected. Here are some better feats anyway.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Different writers vince. The example h1 is using is vastly different and is actually a lower estimate.Pulls Earth with a harness made by hal.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029f.jpgLook what Starbreaker says in this scan.
"The power of countless red suns flows through my veins."
And that's not a hyperbole as we know he is an evolved sun-eater and has actually consumed the energy of suns.
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=star_trueform1.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=star_trueform2.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=star_trueform3.jpgThat was just two issues later.
And yet, Superman and Hal stalemating him completely depowered him.
So if we take "countless" as even two suns, that's [b]way more
power than what h1 is using. I know its ludicrous, but facts are facts.srug
Not the first time either.
Stops moon from spiraling out of orbit for hours opposing a machine which had the power output of a sun
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15249004/26.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248994/80PageGiant01a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248995/80PageGiant01b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248996/80PageGiant01c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248998/80PageGiant01d.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248999/80PageGiant01e.jpg.html😬 [/B]
And even better, Supermen of Multiverse and half a dozen GLs dragged the entire multiverse out of Darkseid's gigantic black hole.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Superman along with about half dozen lanterns and Supermen of multiverse actually dragged the entire multiverse out of a multiversal black hole.Should we treat Supermen and GLC as multiversal in each thread?
Don't try to lowball them too
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Still no of scan of where they moved the Earth though, or what they were actually trying to attempt in keeping the Earth in place. Hence wally Speedstealing the planet.
Wally was compensating for the stress they were putting on planet. Can you read or what?
Context isn't doing you any favor.
Are you always this passive aggressive? Because that's a lot of bitching on getting proven wrong.
I'm not being aggressive, referring to a different outlook as yours in a negative outlook is aggressive. Like if I see purple when it's purple and you see orange when it's purple, and don't like that I don't see orange to, and call me a ***** for it or my viewpoint as bitching. That's not me being aggressive.
Your intake on things seems a bit wobbly.
Context really isn't favoring you.
Why would Wally Speedsteal from the Planet they're trying to move? Answer it wasn't that they we're trying to move it, they were trying to keep it in place.
What reassures this notion. Superman saying "We were loosing it"
"Howd the earth get back in orbit"? Kyle.
It's honestly right their infront of you almost impossible to twist.
In regards I was speaking of obsidian age no other instance. I'm pretty sure theres instances of Superman struggling to move a moon with others and saying he wouldn't be able to do it again.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not being aggressive, referring to a different outlook as yours in a negative outlook is aggressive. Like if I see purple when it's purple and you see orange when it's purple, and don't like that I don't see orange to, and call me a ***** for it or my viewpoint as bitching. That's not me being aggressive.
Of course you are being passive aggressive and bitching for no reason at all.
And wrong too. But that's expected.
Your intake on things seems a bit wobbly.
Tell me more how Wally was landlocking the planet though.
Context really isn't favoring you.
Why would Wally Speedsteal from the Planet they're trying to move? Answer it wasn't that they we're trying to move it, they were trying to keep it in place.
To compensate for the pressure they were exerting on the planet. Did you even read the word? What was Batman's plan for compensating it?
What reassures this notion. Superman saying "We were loosing it""Howd the earth get back in orbit"? Kyle.
Haha, you still did not answer my question. Was the crow parching on his shoulder also bigger than Earth? Because we don't see Kyle moving the planet too.
It's honestly right their infront of you almost impossible to twist.
You are just bitching more and more, eh? Where did Kyle move the planet?
In regards I was speaking of obsidian age no other instance. I'm pretty sure theres instances of Superman struggling to move a moon with others and saying he wouldn't be able to do it again.
Ah, lowballing again? Superman was moving the moon with Diana and Kyle with such speed that fifty of wold's most powerful sorcerers couldn't compensate for it.
There are low feats for everyone. These aren't low feats though.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As pretty as the pictures look that you posted, reading the scans would do a lot for you.
Because you have repeatedly demonstrated that you only say what others have told you on comicvine and lack how to read from your own mind.
