Azronger's musings

valk being gm luke level is more enjoyable honestly

No. Valk being GM Luke level makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than "DE Sidious>>ROTJ Sidious, whose a thousand times stronger than ROTS Sidious, who can blitz Darth Plagueis, whose above Tenebrous, whose above Vitiate."

Why would sidious go from improving ten fold throughout his appretencship with plagueis to suddenly being able to improve a thousand fold?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No. Valk being GM Luke level makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than "DE Sidious>>ROTJ Sidious, whose a thousand times stronger than ROTS Sidious, who can blitz Darth Plagueis, whose above Tenebrous, whose above Vitiate."

Well, Myth and Beni, none of us can prove whether RotS Sidious could or couldn't have done dominated 20 billion, so I guess an agreement to disagree is all we can do at this point. Personally, I definitely think Sidious can dominate far more than several million as of RotS, but 20 billion? I wouldn't go that far without more concrete evidence.

As for Force users growing thousandfold, Naga Sadow's meditation sphere comes to mind, although the quote could be interpreted as hyperbole.

But regardless, there doesn't need to be a precedent for a Force user growing thousandfold, since there's not a precedent for a Force user draining a planetary population for decades non-stop, either. We don't know how powerful one would grow as a result, so you cannot dismiss the possibility based on an appeal to incredulity.

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Anyway, I'd just like to thank you for defending me in this thread (and everyone else, too!). Appreciate it 🙂

The possibility, sadly, makes no sense. You can argue Sheev is not capable of draining 20 billion as of RotS and that's fine. As we know he's certainly considerably more powerful by RotJ. But by a thousandfold is really stretching it.

Also, Naga Sadow's amp was not permament and it is hyperbole. Regardless, feeding off of a population of utter fodder, no matter the quantity, is hardly going to give Sidious a thousand-fold boost. And no EU writer would actually consider that. And it's him just draining a bunch of useless fodder. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Force Draining in-of-itself is not a permament amp.

Originally posted by MythLord
[B]The possibility, sadly, makes no sense. You can argue Sheev is not capable of draining 20 billion as of RotS and that's fine. As we know he's certainly considerably more powerful by RotJ. But by a thousandfold is really stretching it.

Makes no sense according to whom? You? I am sorry to inform you but you are not an authority on these matters. Unless you can definitively and conclusively prove that I am wrong without appealing to incredulity, then we should just agree to disagree on this.

Also, Naga Sadow's amp was not permament and it is hyperbole.

I know it's only temporary. My point was that there have been thousandfold increases before, although, as I said, you can dismiss it as hyperbole.

Regardless, feeding off of a population of utter fodder, no matter the quantity, is hardly going to give Sidious a thousand-fold boost. And no EU writer would actually consider that. And it's him just draining a bunch of useless fodder. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Force Draining in-of-itself is not a permament amp.

Again, according to whom? We don't know how much power that would give him, since there's no other instances to reference. You're just appealing to your gut feeling at this point.

And I don't really give a damn about what the writers think. Anyone can interpret the text however they like. Simply because I writer hadn't thought of something doesn't invalidate my interpretation.

Force Drain is permanent. Unless you're like Nihilus, that energy isn't going to disappear randomly.

The idea that draining Byss significantly increased Palpatine's power is an interesting one, but a thousand fold remains a baseless figure as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by Azronger
Makes no sense according to whom? You? I am sorry to inform you but you are not an authority on these matters. Unless you can definitively and conclusively prove that I am wrong without appealing to incredulity, then we should just agree to disagree on this.

I am well aware I am no authority, but neither are you and yet you're pulling a thousand-fold baselessly out of your ass when literally no evidence backs this up? Quite the contrary, Sidious' established limits as of DE don't place him even a dozen times more powerful than RotS Sidious, yet you'd have people believe RotJ Sidious is a thousand times more powerful based on him draining more people?

Originally posted by Azronger
Again, according to whom? We don't know how much power that would give him, since there's no other instances to reference. You're just appealing to your gut feeling at this point.

We know Draining a bunch of non Force sensitives in-of-itself is a very poor power boost. And Sidious isn't really doing heavy draining -- he does not kill them, simply siphons off of them which is a much smaller power boost to the already microscoping one. On top of that his Dark Side adepts are feeding off the population of Byss simultaneously and there's the Dark Side Nexus which also feeds off the population.

So there's several beings and one of the most potent nexuses in the galaxy slowly absobring the life of billions of utter fodder alongside Sidious. And the absorption itself does not kill the residents as usually Drain does. Therefore, a Force Drain amp from Byss would hardly be making RotJ Sidious a thousand times more powerful than RotS Sidious.

Originally posted by Azronger
And I don't really give a damn about what the writers think. Anyone can interpret the text however they like. Simply because I writer hadn't thought of something doesn't invalidate my interpretation.

Not quite what I was going for. My point was no decent writer would go Dragon Ball Z and make Sidious a multi-Solar System buster 'cause he can Drain a lot of people.

Originally posted by Azronger
Force Drain is permanent. Unless you're like Nihilus, that energy isn't going to disappear randomly.

Really? Got proof that Drain is permanent?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I find it to be literally retarded to dislike someone over fictional opinions.

Az is almost as bad as the DBZ fanboys. If Palpatine's power doubled, he'd be par with the most powerful beings in the mythos per Lucas; saying his power increased a thousandfold by DE is beyond lolworthy.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
To be clear, I don't really have a problem with LeG, tbh. I find it to be literally retarded to dislike someone over fictional opinions.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Same, I dislike him because he's a climate change denying homophobe. 🙂

What? He's really said those things?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Az is almost as bad as the DBZ fanboys. If Palpatine's power doubled, he'd be par with the most powerful beings in the mythos per Lucas; saying his power increased a thousandfold by DE is beyond lolworthy.

I'm not even close to being as bad, lmao.

And Lucas has no authority over Legends, and his statement has been outdated ever since the Mortis arc. If we go by your logic, that Palpatine is half of Anakin, then he is on par with the Son, which is not true. The Son is at least a tier above DE Sidious.

Originally posted by Petrus
What? He's really those things?

Originally posted by Petrus
What? He's really those things?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=638559

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He's also a bit of an asshat when he gets mad. 👆

Yeah, okay. LeG's an idiot.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Az is aware of my opinion on his debating skills.

I do respect the way he presents and articulates his arguments, and I do consider him a good debater -- but holy shit, does he make some of the most outlandish claims ever.

If you've been here long enough, you're bound to say some stupid shit at some point along the way. Myself included. No need to make a thread about it and single someone out.