Originally posted by Sin I AM
I have a hard time believing that line of thinking. Im gonna use Superman because I know how you feel about HulkDiana
Martian Manhunter
Flash (any)
GL (Any good one)These four alone fighting at their best could AT LEAST stalemate supermen. Imo in a forum environment that there is noway for a character whod have a hard time facing these guys solo. Same goes for Hulk, his only saving grace is the avengers squads he's faced ar normally filled with fodder. U wont see him soloing Photon, Classic Thor, Classic Strange, Sentry whoever at the same time. Hed beat a giant man, wasp, cap, ms marvel and jobbing thor roster all day though
Conversely, few teams are stacked with all power characters like you're suggesting. Presumably, the Original Poster (OP) of this thread wants us to go by actual showings, and most published "hero versus team" comic book fights do involve the hero versus 1 or 2 big guns, a lot of fodder, people holding back, and/or "The Rule of Ninja" being followed.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Conversely, few teams are stacked with all power characters like you're suggesting. Presumably, the Original Poster (OP) of this thread wants us to go by actual showings, and most published "hero versus team" comic book fights do involve the hero versus 1 or 2 big guns, a lot of fodder, people holding back, and/or "The Rule of Ninja" being followed.
Power Girl holds her own against a team that took down Captain Marvel because of that ninja rule.
Always got wrecked 1 vs 1 against pretty much any big gun.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Conversely, few teams are stacked with all power characters like you're suggesting. Presumably, the Original Poster (OP) of this thread wants us to go by actual showings, and most published "hero versus team" comic book fights do involve the hero versus 1 or 2 big guns, a lot of fodder, people holding back, and/or "The Rule of Ninja" being followed.
The JLA is generally stacked though. Which is my point. There's always a GL, a Flash, two spoerman analogues not named superman, a high level mage or magic tank, a warrior woman, a robot/cyborg and the brain whos generally street level. Its kind of a myth that certain heroes are team wreckers when in reality and taking the fights scenes in addition to context together youd get a better picture.
Spiderman is a prime example of a character who shouldn't beat teams but has a history of doing so
Originally posted by cdtm
Power Girl holds her own against a team that took down Captain Marvel because of that ninja rule.Always got wrecked 1 vs 1 against pretty much any big gun.
Actually the storyline specifically noted that they were handicapped by the mind control, although for a character like her who usually doesn't get much, it was a pretty nice feat.
Originally posted by Sin I AMTrue. If the big guns decide to wreak superman they would. But as you stated, they hold back not wanting to kill or hurt their friend. That's why people THINK some characters are team wreckers when they do good against their team who are not going for the stomp.
Because there are always extenuating circumstances...someone on either side is always holding back. Place classic Hulk against a decent Avengers squad (not a bunch of streets and low metas) and hed lose. Same goes for Clark. He can't beat a non jobbing JLA.When heroes wreck teams someone is always mind controlled, not themselves, not trying to hurt their friends, holding back etc...ive never seen a fight where everyone on both sides is going all out.
Originally posted by JBL
True. If the big guns decide to wreak superman they would. But as you stated, they hold back not wanting to kill or hurt their friend. That's why people THINK some characters are team wreckers when they do good against their team who are not going for the stomp.
Exactly. The character would have to be atleast trans and to beat a non jobbing JLA/Avengers team and both sides would have to not hold back. Those examples exist in Marvel/DC. The closest example was conquest vs invincible and friends...if everyone went all out every fight would look like that
Which is why this scene tickled me:
Why? Because the Suicide Squad AND the JLA, were not holding back, because that is what Eclipso does to you:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0X06zg1plqw/WH9z-XT4CKI/AAAAAAABmyk/49miN2UdIEYmSBE_sjIyTzcEba5p9mxewCLcB/s1600/12_05.jpg
Good showing for Lobo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which is why this scene tickled me:Why? Because the Suicide Squad AND the JLA, were not holding back, because that is what Eclipso does to you:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0X06zg1plqw/WH9z-XT4CKI/AAAAAAABmyk/49miN2UdIEYmSBE_sjIyTzcEba5p9mxewCLcB/s1600/12_05.jpg
Good showing for Lobo.
What book is that? The art is terrible
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Bbw waller or slim waller?
BBW, just the way I like her.
Could be a bit thicker though. I'm not a fan of anorexic Waller.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually the storyline specifically noted that they were handicapped by the mind control, although for a character like her who usually doesn't get much, it was a pretty nice feat.
This is about as backhanded as compliments get, and I'm not sure whether the fact Delta probably genuinely DOES consider it a TRUE compliment makes it better or worse.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I have a hard time believing that line of thinking. Im gonna use Superman because I know how you feel about HulkDiana
Martian Manhunter
Flash (any)
GL (Any good one)These four alone fighting at their best could ATLEAST stalemate supermen. Imo in a forum environment that there is noway for a character whod have a hard time facing these guys solo. Same goes for Hulk, his only saving grace is the avengers squads he's faced ar normally filled with fodder. U wont see him soloing Photon, Classic Thor, Classic Strange, Sentry whoever at the same time. Hed beat a giant man, wasp, cap, ms marvel and jobbing thor roster all day though
He fought a team that consisted of...
Ironman
Hercules
Namor
Wonderman
She Hulk
Doc Samson
Photon
And the list goes on and on. Huge team and he was winning until he started to get weaker due to him dying.
Originally posted by carver9
He fought a team that consisted of...Ironman
Hercules
Namor
Wonderman
She Hulk
Doc Samson
PhotonAnd the list goes on and on. Huge team and he was winning until he started to get weaker due to him dying.
Did you just google that?
You dont think
"Ironman
Hercules
Namor
Wonderman
She Hulk
Doc Samson
Photon " at their best can't beat Hulk (savage im assuming) in a forum battle?
