spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by golem370
But its not like Flash type people are unbeatable
They are far from unbeatable. A good number of characters can defeat a Primary Flash and/or Zoom. It is just that without prep, or PIS/CIS, many characters below a certain tier cannot defeat a full-out non-CIS/PIS Flash/Zoom. They do so much in a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a microsecond that their opponent wouldn't even know what happened.
Now, I think this thread was a bit disingenuous (why - who the poster is, and the highly noticeable fact that his favorite character is missing - a certain large green beast that he insinuated, to much laughter, on another thread was faster than time).
However, ignoring such silliness (never understood why any poster would love a comic book character so much that they'd be willing to be seen as stupid over it) there are some characters that are difficult (not impossible) to defeat without prep, exotic power sets or simply being too powerful.
I am however not that comfortable with depictions of the Flash in forums. He really has a bad power set for debate, since you either have a 'he wins in a picosecond' or you have a PIS where Captain Boomerang beats him in the comics. Most characters have averages, but Flashes either have a situation where they are absorbing all the kinetic energy of the earth, or where the Weather Wizard is making them sweat.
That is not good for debating. Most other characters, be it Superman or the Hulk, have clearly established averages. Sure, in a Superman vs Hulk thread you'll see our fave Hulk fanboy showing all the Hulk positive extremes (to pump up the Hulk) and all of Superman's negative extremes (to bring down Superman), and our fave Superman fanboy will then step in and post the inverse ...and stupidity ensues. But MOST posters understand the averages of those characters.
But Flashes are difficult. There really is no average ...you have an extreme feat and an underfeat. It would be like having a character who is in one comic issue behaving like Classic Thor, casting super power blasts and even spells that could make classic Dr Strange applaud, and then the next issue behaving like the most he could do is be like young Static Shock ...the cartoon show version.
Writing a Flash must be a hard job for writers, although I realized recently that what DC is trying to do is to explain the inconsistencies away by claiming that Flash has a 'working relationship' with his rogues. That while Flash knows they are criminals, and they know Flash can take them to jail, that both parties treat each other with 'respect' and use kid gloves on each other. This is why the Flash Rogues have been written recently as 'never killing,' and also why when the evil Flash (Johnny Quick I believe) from Earth Three captured Captain Cold and was mocking him asking why Flash had never stopped him, Cold replied that they had an 'understanding' ...before he used his cold gun to freeze Johnny Quick's leg solid, and then broke it in two! My words may be a bit off (I last read it a while back), but DC seems to insinuate that there's some sort of working understanding that may explain the huge inconsistencies with the Flash.
But he's a bad debate character though because you either end up with a boring fight that lasts less than nothing (think what a character who could evacuate that North Korean city of half a million in 0.0001 of a millionth of a second could do in a forum fight) OR a fight is created that is so stacked against the Flash (to make it 'fair'😉 that you have PIS in a forum fight that is not supposed to have PIS (it's like me making a Daredevil fight, and then saying that DD doesn't have his hearing - on top of his blindness - and can only punch with his left hand. After some point the stipulations become silly).