Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Nightcrawler forfeits every match he's in?But look at the last part of the quote. Obviously, if they leave and CANNOT RETURN UNDER THEIR OWN POWER.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but ignoring the spirit of the rule. Nightcrawler isn't actually hanging out in that other dimention, crossing it is just part of his power. Technically yes it would ualify as a rule violation, but it's so fundamental a part of his teleportation on a basic level that a "no teleportation" stipulation makes more sense if a threads intent is to bar it. By the same token, characters who shunt their molecules to another dimention in order to phase would also technically qualify, but not really by forum standards. What you're talking about though is Zoom consciously leaving the established field of combat and spending time there relative to his perceptions in order to gain an advantage which would be a clear intentional violation of the rule. That's why you'll never see me pitching for Surfer to time travel to prevent an opponents birth(barrin some extreme thread stipulations) even though he's done it too. Thanos isn't allowed to take off and retrieve a cosmic cube or the IG even if he teleports back to the same instant he left, Supes isn't allowed to take off to sun dip, time travelers like Zoom and Kang can't take a vacation away from the battle to acquire prep time that's not stipulated or set up traps and such for opponents.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but ignoring the spirit of the rule. Nightcrawler isn't actually hanging out in that other dimention, crossing it is just part of his power. Technically yes it would ualify as a rule violation, but it's so fundamental a part of his teleportation on a basic level that a "no teleportation" stipulation makes more sense if a threads intent is to bar it. By the same token, characters who shunt their molecules to another dimention in order to phase would also technically qualify, but not really by forum standards. What you're talking about though is Zoom consciously leaving the established field of combat and spending time there relative to his perceptions in order to gain an advantage which would be a clear intentional violation of the rule. That's why you'll never see me pitching for Surfer to time travel to prevent an opponents birth(barrin some extreme thread stipulations) even though he's done it too. Thanos isn't allowed to take off and retrieve a cosmic cube or the IG even if he teleports back to the same instant he left, Supes isn't allowed to take off to sun dip, time travelers like Zoom and Kang can't take a vacation away from the battle to acquire prep time that's not stipulated or set up traps and such for opponents.
You make a good argument.
But, you were also upvoted by Carver. Therefore, you must be wrong. 👆
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but ignoring the spirit of the rule. Nightcrawler isn't actually hanging out in that other dimention, crossing it is just part of his power. Technically yes it would ualify as a rule violation, but it's so fundamental a part of his teleportation on a basic level that a "no teleportation" stipulation makes more sense if a threads intent is to bar it. By the same token, characters who shunt their molecules to another dimention in order to phase would also technically qualify, but not really by forum standards. What you're talking about though is Zoom consciously leaving the established field of combat and spending time there relative to his perceptions in order to gain an advantage which would be a clear intentional violation of the rule. That's why you'll never see me pitching for Surfer to time travel to prevent an opponents birth(barrin some extreme thread stipulations) even though he's done it too. Thanos isn't allowed to take off and retrieve a cosmic cube or the IG even if he teleports back to the same instant he left, Supes isn't allowed to take off to sun dip, time travelers like Zoom and Kang can't take a vacation away from the battle to acquire prep time that's not stipulated or set up traps and such for opponents.
Then that ignores the spirit of this thread, where the Flashes are meant to be at max capacity, using all of their abilities to the fullest.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then that ignores the spirit of this thread, where the Flashes are meant to be at max capacity, using all of their abilities to the fullest.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I wouldn't really say it ignores the spirit of the thread to assume that forum rules are still in place beyond the Flash's out of character level of determination to win. I mean just because one standard is noted as being an exception to the norm doesn't mean that all bets are off in regards to the rest of the typical forum rules. I can understand how some thread starters might mean that kind of thing and simply didn't think to nullify every other rule, but since Carver is the thread starter and gave my post a thumbs up it genuinely doesn't seem to be the case here. If I personally made a thread where Surfer used his abilities to the fullest I certainly wouldn't mean that he's allowed to leave the battlefield to prevent their birth, only that he's doing whatever he can against his opponents in direct confrontation.
Nightcrawler isn't the only example.
As you noted, phase shifters are the same. They are deliberately leaving the field of battle and spending time there, relative to their perceptions, to gain an advantage.
Zoom uses it as a tactic fairly often.
To handicap him in this way, with an appeal to the rules is....after all, as you said, it's carver's thread.
But the fact that rather then argue against it, you simply hand wave it away (whilst allowing others like the phasers and the teleporters) speaks volumes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nightcrawler isn't the only example.As you noted, phase shifters are the same. They are deliberately leaving the field of battle and spending time there, relative to their perceptions, to gain an advantage.
Zoom uses it as a tactic fairly often.
To handicap him in this way, with an appeal to the rules is....after all, as you said, it's carver's thread.
But the fact that rather then argue against it, you simply hand wave it away (whilst allowing others like the phasers and the teleporters) speaks volumes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not denying that it's something he does, just that a tactic like that doesn't really conform to forum standards. By the same token, we don't assume that Thanos, Reed Richards, Lex Luthor, Dr. Doom, or Batman has some basic level of prep for things even though prepping for opponents is such an integral part of each of those characters. With Nightcrawler and phasers, we assume that they're still allowed to use their powers because it's ridiculous to make thread starters stipulate that they're allowed to use their powers in every thread they're featured in just because the explanation of how their powers work inherently violates forum rules. It's not that Zoom's powers inherently violate forum rules, it's just that the specific tactic you're suggesting does. Even when a character can fly and even if they have a tendency to fly away from confrontation, they're still not allowed to fly off of the established battlefield.
Then I guess the OP should have clarified sooner what was or wasn't allowed - the use of the sentence 'All of the Flashes are using their abilities to the best of their abilities' means that...well, they've been given carte blanche, beyond forum rules (as seen with other threads where forum rules are lifted by OP stips).
If OP then wants to subsequently come in and thumb a post up on page 4...that's neither here nor there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then I guess the OP should have clarified sooner what was or wasn't allowed - the use of the sentence 'All of the Flashes are using their abilities to the best of their abilities' means that...well, they've been given carte blanche, beyond forum rules (as seen with other threads where forum rules are lifted by OP stips).If OP then wants to subsequently come in and thumb a post up on page 4...that's neither here nor there.
Originally posted by darthgoober
A stipulation that the rules in regards to things remaining "in character" are null for the thread has no bearing on the other rules. By the same token, a telepath using his abilities to the utmost extrapolations of the abilities still isn't able to summon and compel people who aren't involved in the fight because the ruling against outside help is seperate from the rulings in regards to "in character".
Where does it say 'in character'?
OP said 'they are using their abilities to the best of their abilities'.
Telepaths are a red herring. The battlefield has named battlers, and bringing in XYZ is completely different.
If you want to apply the rules as laid out, that's fine. There is plenty of scope to argue the rules as they are written, with plenty of loopholes. Teleporters and phasers are automatically disqualified (after all, Nightcrawler still has his agility and stealth powers, plus sword fighting skills to use). The instant he uses his main go -to tactic, he loses.
Same with the phasers. They ALL have other tactics, and skills they can use. Even Kitty - she's a trained ninja with computer hacking skills -assuming she shunts her atoms. I never know with them.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where does it say 'in character'?OP said 'they are using their abilities to the best of their abilities'.
Telepaths are a red herring. The battlefield has named battlers, and bringing in XYZ is completely different.
If you want to apply the rules as laid out, that's fine. There is plenty of scope to argue the rules as they are written, with plenty of loopholes. Teleporters and phasers are automatically disqualified (after all, Nightcrawler still has his agility and stealth powers, plus sword fighting skills to use). The instant he uses his main go -to tactic, he loses.
Same with the phasers. They ALL have other tactics, and skills they can use. Even Kitty - she's a trained ninja with computer hacking skills -assuming she shunts her atoms. I never know with them.
And just as there are named characters doing battle, the default arena has set parameters that the characters aren't allowed to leave. Now if you want to go around trying to push the idea that Nightcrawler and Kitty Pride aren't allowed to use their powers then that's up to you, but we all know that's never going to go over because the Mod's aren't about to require that it be stipulated that characters are allowed to use their primary powers.
If you really doubt what I'm saying, just ask Pr if time travelers like Zoom, Kang, or Surfer are allowed to take off to Oregon 1975 to prevent the birth of a hero in an arena match... I'm all but positive that he'll say such a thing would violate the rules regarding self BFR even if the characters are allowed to use their abilities to the fullest.