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I'll start by looking at their accolades, specifically those that state them as being the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Both of them have these accolades, and both of them have several of these accolades at that. The difference is that Viiate's are newer. A quote by Leland Chee would suggest that all newer content overwrites older sources and another one from him states that any source can be challenged if there is a notable contradiction in either another source, whether it be accolades or feats.
You lost me {and the argument} quite literally in the second paragraph. Vitiate's quotes don't contradict the Emperor's.
Originally posted by The_TempestI would disagree, both have quotes establishing themselves as the most powerful Sith Lord. And when I made this originally, I was unaware that the TOR Encyclopedia was an in-universe source. Regardless, the quotes still hold as evidence that Vitiate is comparable to Sidious when backed up by Vitiate's feats. Feats which, quite honestly, are easily in the same league as any of Sidious'.
You lost me {and the argument} quite literally in the second paragraph. Vitiate's quotes don't contradict the Emperor's.
Originally posted by darthbane77
I don't see how, considering everything I have in here is something I've observed in SWTOR or have read in a novel.
Not true. I could go through every example but honestly I can't be bothered..
Everything in here has a source for it, most of which can be found in Vitiate's RT.
No, there is no quote in existence proving Vitiate made DK a nexus or created lightning storms in the sky with his mere presence, nor is there a quote saying he has the power of the 8000 Sith he sacrificed on Nathema.
Never once have I seen you display any kind of respect towards any anti-Sidious argument, even ones I feel are better than any that I've ever made. So no, you're lying through your teeth and it's plain to see. Nothing in this thread is illogical, and everything is supported.
This very sentence is illogical, lmao. You're assuming that because I haven't openly expressed my feelings to toward something, I don't have those feelings.
And you should probably start acknowledging the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you. Just because you haven't seen me do something, doesn't mean I haven't. And if basically everybody here is saying your post is cancer, then you should probably realize that it isn't that well made, instead of acting like "nothing in this thread is illogical," and pretending it's a fact. Again, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Originally posted by darthbane77
I would disagree,
Sure.
But you'd be wrong, which is what's important here.
Originally posted by darthbane77
both have quotes establishing themselves as the most powerful Sith Lord.
Major spoilers follow, tread lightly:
Spoiler:
Thousands of years separate Vitiate from Sidious. So just as 1880s Britain was the most powerful nation on Earth and yet now 2017 America is, these ideas are not mutually exclusive due to the passage of time.
Originally posted by darthbane77
And when I made this originally, I was unaware that the TOR Encyclopedia was an in-universe source.
Your struggles with in-universe chronology are noted.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Regardless, the quotes still hold as evidence that Vitiate is comparable to Sidious when backed up by Vitiate's feats. Feats which, quite honestly, are easily in the same league as any of Sidious'.
You're free to argue feats all you like. You'd lose that one, too, of course - but the problem is now you're moving the goalpost.
Originally posted by AzrongerI never claimed that the world revolves around me, nor do I act like it. The reason everybody here thinks my thread is cancer isn't because it is, but because the TOR era is generally looked down upon on this forum, underrated and obviously not looked on favorably. Anyone with a brain can see that. But the only real reason this thread isn't much liked, is because of bias on the rest of your parts.
Not true. I could go through every example but honestly I can't be bothered..No, there is no quote in existence proving Vitiate made DK a nexus or created lightning storms in the sky with his mere presence, nor is there a quote saying he has the power of the 8000 Sith he sacrificed on Nathema.
This very sentence is illogical, lmao. You're assuming that because I haven't openly expressed my feelings to toward something, I don't have those feelings.
And you should probably start acknowledging the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you. Just because you haven't seen me do something, doesn't mean I haven't. And if basically everybody here is saying your post is cancer, then you should probably realize that it isn't that well made, instead of acting like "nothing in this thread is illogical," and pretending it's a fact. Again, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Originally posted by The_TempestI don't see how I would lose anything if I was actually attempting to convince anybody. I'm not actually making a real attempt at convincing anybody at the moment.
Sure.
But you'd be wrong, which is what's important here.Major spoilers follow, tread lightly:
Spoiler:
Thousands of years separate Vitiate from Sidious. So just as 1880s Britain was the most powerful nation on Earth and yet now 2017 America is, these ideas are not mutually exclusive due to the passage of time.Your struggles with in-universe chronology are noted.
You're free to argue feats all you like. You'd lose that one, too, of course - but the problem is now you're moving the goalpost.
Originally posted by darthbane77
I don't see how I would lose anything if I was actually attempting to convince anybody. I'm not actually making a real attempt at convincing anybody at the moment.
But you are trying to convince people - you said in your OP you wanted to prove you're not an idiot. That goal's success or failure hinges on your ability to craft a good argument. Your argument isn't good; it stumbles and falls face flat in its very first paragraph.
Now I'm not saying you're an idiot, I'm just saying (on this topic) you're wrong and you'll never be right.
In any event, the hate doesn't bother me. I didn't have a positive reputation here in the first place, so I had nothing to ruin. Much like Tonde's Skotia>Vader thread. Hell, he's the one that told me I should share this, lol. I didn't expect this thread to be well received, nor did I expect anybody to agree either, I didn't expect to break anybody's notions or biases. I just wanted to irritate you people, which I've obviously succeeded in doing.