Countdown Orion Vs WW 3 Black Adam

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Zack M Senior Member

Countdown Orion Vs WW 3 Black Adam

Same Orion who blasted away the JLA like they were nothing and killed Darkseid.

WW 3 Black Adam. Who wins?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Adam most likely.

Granted, this berserker Orion certainly *seemed* like he was far above the likes of Superman+Flash+Kyle+Donna, given how casually he gestured them away:

...But I don't think that alone is enough to put him above a guy who steamrolled through FAR more. /shrug

quanchi112 Disney

Adam wins. Punching through Darkseid isn't very impressive.

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
Adam most likely.

Granted, this berserker Orion certainly *seemed* like he was far above the likes of Superman+Flash+Kyle+Donna, given how casually he gestured them away:

...But I don't think that alone is enough to put him above a guy who steamrolled through FAR more. /shrug

Pulling a heart out of a chest as durable as Darkseid's is an INSANE feat of strength, though. MUCH more impressive then breaking an arm.

Orion should be strong enough to rip Adam's arms right off, going by that feat.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Orion was able to kill Darkseid due to the whole father/son/prophecy dynamic that existed between them -- not because he was legitimately more powerful or w/e.

It is akin to Drax killing Thanos in that sense.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Orion was able to kill Darkseid due to the whole father/son/prophecy dynamic that existed between them -- not because he was legitimately more powerful or w/e.

It is akin to Drax killing Thanos in that sense.

No, it isn't. He didn't have specific silver bullet enclosing in his DNA. Also Orion already fulfilled the prophecy in new gods. It isn't the same thing at all. Doomsday already easily broke Darkseid much easier while resisting his omega effect. Superman also made him tap out in apokolips now in a fair one on one fight. Darkseid is just a peer to these guys.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Again:

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Orion was able to kill Darkseid due to the whole father/son/prophecy dynamic that existed between them -- not because he was legitimately more powerful or w/e.

I know this because the comic said so. 🙂

Juntai Divine Vengeance

LOL. He literally says he's fulfilling the prophecy in the scan you posted.

cdtm Restricted

Quan has a point though. Prophecy fullfilling doesn't usually mean extranormal abilities.

You could tell Drax was Thano's Kryptonite because he was actually glowing green before he killed him. As far as we know, Orion was always strong enough to rip Darkseid's heart out of his chest, and the prophecy wasn't granting him abilities towards that end, but simply confirmed someday, it was gonna happen.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

As seen in DotNG, the father/son/prophecy dynamic also entails a power-equalizing element. That's how Orion was able to defeat Soulfire Darkseid, for example.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

I thought it was because Orion had somehow started to tap into the same power source. The source seemed to cite his make up being similar to DS seeing as he's the son. *shrug*

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Galan007
As seen in DotNG, the father/son/prophecy dynamic also entails a power-equalizing element. That's how Orion was able to defeat Soulfire Darkseid, for example.
Orion tapped into the same power. There's context so don't try to mislead. Drax had the silver bullet encoded into his DNA. Orion has never been described in this manner in relation to Darkseid.

TethAdamTheRock God of War

Orion

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Originally posted by cdtm
Quan has a point though. Prophecy fullfilling doesn't usually mean extranormal abilities.

You could tell Drax was Thano's Kryptonite because he was actually glowing green before he killed him. As far as we know, Orion was always strong enough to rip Darkseid's heart out of his chest, and the prophecy wasn't granting him abilities towards that end, but simply confirmed someday, it was gonna happen.

Always strong enough? You do realize they have fought many times before this right? Orion never looked this good

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Prophecy/destiny shouldn't detract from actual feats. Now if the prophecy was very specific and stated that Darkseid will have bouts of weakness whenever he battles his son, that's something.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Prophecy/destiny shouldn't detract from actual feats. Now if the prophecy was very specific and stated that Darkseid will have bouts of weakness whenever he battles his son, that's something.
Exactly my point. With Drax it was pointed out but this false comparison without actual proof is just reaching.

-K-M- ...........

Darkseid didn't even die there regardless. Since Orion was being backed by the source he could "kill" him
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Spectre kills Darkseid in combat, but little did Spectre know is DS is protected by the Source and revives him as he is important to the universe being the “negative charge” in it. It’s also revealed if Spectre was successful in killing DS, he in turn would become Darkseid himself

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/TheSpectre19V4-08.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/TheSpectre19V4-09.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/TheSpectre19V4-10.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/TheSpectre19V4-12.jpg

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought it was because Orion had somehow started to tap into the same power source.
The father/son/prophecy dynamic between them is what allowed Orion to tap into the same power source as Darkseid, and equalize their powers:
http://i.imgur.com/D5xJzay.jpg

Sin I AM Madame Mort
Originally posted by Galan007
The father/son/prophecy dynamic between them is what allowed Orion to tap into the same power source as Darkseid, and equalize their powers:
http://i.imgur.com/D5xJzay.jpg

👍

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Galan007
The father/son/prophecy dynamic between them is what allowed Orion to tap into the same power source as Darkseid, and equalize their powers:
http://i.imgur.com/D5xJzay.jpg
Yes, and this only applies to death not the countdown battle. He wasn't stealing any power at the point Orion took him. He was standard Seid.