Countdown Orion Vs WW 3 Black Adam

Darkseid's also got an ego.

I do remember the points you're bringing up. But what if Orion hadn't blocked thw Omega effect, as Darkseid planned?

What's more reasonable, that Darkseid was actively trying to lose in a match that laid waste to a good portion of Apokolips (That final rush created an explosion like something out of Dragon Ball). Or, that Darkseid was playing a Xanatos Gambit?

As TVTropes puts it, a Xanatos Gambit works like "If I win, I win. If I lose, I win.

And ftr, David Xanatos lost many a fight to Goliath.. Not one of them did he give away, but every single loss was set up so a loss lead into another plan.

Originally posted by cdtm
Darkseid's also got an ego.

I do remember the points you're bringing up. But what if Orion hadn't blocked thw Omega effect, as Darkseid planned?

What's more reasonable, that Darkseid was actively trying to lose in a match that laid waste to a good portion of Apokolips (That final rush created an explosion like something out of Dragon Ball). Or, that Darkseid was playing a Xanatos Gambit?

As TVTropes puts it, a Xanatos Gambit works like "If I win, I win. If I lose, I win.

And ftr, David Xanatos lost many a fight to Goliath.. Not one of them did he give away, but every single loss was set up so a loss lead into another plan.

He knew orion had the shield to reflect it back at him. That was explained. Orion literally made it specifically for this fight and DS knew it. If he didn't block it then he would have just teleported Orion away or found another way to fake his death as that was his ultimate goal. However as mentioned it was always the main plan to make Orion think he killed him and to take over apokolips to corrupt his soul. It worked...as planned. Explained in several issues

Orion was never really a serious threat to DS. I have read all their fights. Compare all their previous fights with the countdown one. It was hugely hugely different.

His defeats were not some plan B,C,D, etc. As he mentioned they were always plan A and they worked. You're choosing to argue what is said and shown in the comics to fit your narrative which again contradict what is said and shown

I'm arguing based on common sense and Darkseid's character. 😛

And ftr, this is a view Simonson himself was pushing (on my query) on Alvaro's New Gods board (Long since gone down the gutter, as they only have a limited archive.)

And I know, creator comments aren't viable, plus I can't prove it (Have I ever intentionally lied? 🙂 )

But I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm arguing based on common sense and Darkseid's character. 😛

And ftr, this is a view Simonson himself was pushing (on my query) on Alvaro's New Gods board (Long since gone down the gutter, as they only have a limited archive.)

And I know, creator comments aren't viable, plus I can't prove it (Have I ever intentionally lied? 🙂 )

But I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one.

Ummmm.......you're going to question knowledge of Darkseid's character to me? 😬

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=8563.0

I am well versed on the character

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummmm.......you're going to question knowledge of Darkseid's character to me? 😬

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=8563.0

I am well versed on the character

Well, I wasn't intending to have a nerd-out on it.

But thanks for linking to your thread. I intend to go through it. 🙂

All I meant by my earlier comment, is that based on what I've personally read of the character (Which includes Byrnes, Simonson's, and Kirby's runs. More recent stuff too, but I prefer to ignore the Jobberseid era. 😛 ), I can't see him pulling his punch's. I just don't think he would.

Plan to lose, because he thinks Orion is up to it? Ok, fine. Perform moves he knows his son will block\reflect? Sure.

But hold back? Never. Every punch, every kick, every charge was the best he had.

And that's all from me. I'll check out that thread.

Again it's not in character for darkseid to fight for no reason or to test his mettle. As noted many times by him fighting is beneath him and as noted in the issues where he lost ON PURPOSE to serve his ultimate goal. That was his main plan. Wasn't a fail back plan, plan b, plan c that was always his original plan. Which again was directly stated multiple times and your assertion goes against his character and what is shown and stated in the comic. Not sure how this is a debate

After the fights he lost on purpose he owns Orion right after when he took it serious and he mocks him to think he could beat or kill him without darkseid wanting it.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

The guy who consistently proves himself to be in Superman's tier...the guy who has, in fact, stalemated a sunamped Superman on one occasion...May not even be mid-herald.

Stay classy, carv. 👆

Probably one of the most underrated showings here - he outperformed the entire JL against Superman.

King of the World?

Yes

Thanks. 👆