How many Supermen would it take to conquer the MU?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mordo, Witch et al have no more power. The Empirikuul came and destroyed all magic. Voodoo, Magik etc. No power.

By the by, because obv it tips things unfairly.

But how do all these guys know? They don't just sit around, ready and waiting. They're all pretty much humans, with human level reactions and durability (until their spells are cast).

It's like playing online, except one side has massive lag, ans the other os a pro Korean.

well i thought by forum rules they are ready to fight ring style and know about their opponent. anyway, someone like rune king thor with cosmic awarness can know and prepare everybody before the army even arrive.

Thor isn't the RunE King though....i mean, what kinda shape are you seeing Marvel???

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor isn't the RunE King though....i mean, what kinda shape are you seeing Marvel???

even without rune king thor there are enough cosmic entities who got cosmic awarness and can inform and warn the universe to use magic and get kryptonite from DC universe. superman has too many weaknesses that will prevent even an army of him to conquer earth.

By the time they get warned, it would be too late.

The thread starts with Marvel U going about their usual business. No idea of what a Kryptonian even is.

Meanwhile, there are some Supermen on Pluto.

I've posted a scan of him racing pretty easily against teleportation from Pluto.

So when the match starts, he'd be on top of Marvel Earth at least, as if he had teleported there.

oh so those are the conditions. i see. well then they are not going to conquer marvel earth in a minute or even an hour. its firtly a question of how many supermans are there. secondly, lets say it enough to give marvel universe a fight for some time, during that time the cosmic awarness guy figure out whats going on, odin can freeze time and let the others get what ever they need. magic useres will be over the place in no time. again, superman is fast, but he is not blitzing marvel universe within a second, not him and not an army of supermans. time freezing stops them for all the time needed.

That's MY interpretation, which may not be the conditions. But OP didn't give any other conditions, so I'm going with mine for now.

Well, yes, it IS a question of how many Supermen there are. Hence the thread title, lol.

I reckon one for every 'glass cannon'( mainly magic users), who show up in the first second and punch them out. So nine or ten? Your Scarlet Witches, Brother Voodoos etc.

Another ten for all the street guys (Daredevil, Beast, Cyclops etc etc). Superman is blitzing here.

Look at how easily the Uncanny Avengers (including Voodoo, btw) were taken out by an evil Quicksilver, crisscrossing the US. And Supes is faster.

how would supermans know who to take out first? they arrive to earth right? what do they do? start chaos. destroying. then the heroes will come and fight them. then my scenario beings. cosmic awareness. time freezing. magic. DC universe kryptonite and all the things i said.

Look back at my scan.

Superman didn't just race teleportation from Pluto. It was CLOAKED teleportation.

IOW, he raced to Earth, and scanned the entire Earth to find the Outlaws. All in the time it took for them to teleport to Earth.

So if Superman flies to Earth, they can all scan Earth with their super senses.....and pinpoint the most powerful. And take them out (as seen in my scan, he was only after them to talk).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Look back at my scan.

Superman didn't just race teleportation from Pluto. It was CLOAKED teleportation.

IOW, he raced to Earth, and scanned the entire Earth to find the Outlaws. All in the time it took for them to teleport to Earth.

So if Superman flies to Earth, they can all scan Earth with their super senses.....and pinpoint the most powerful. And take them out (as seen in my scan, he was only after them to talk).

so you believe an army of supermans will just land on earth, and take out the heaviest hitters of marvel in a blitz before they can react? again, there are being on marvel earth with cosmic awarness that will predict and know about this comming. they can warn the entire marvel universe and get ready. odin stops time and supermans are getting slaughtered. secondly, even if we let the supermans blitz. do you honestly believe even if they land the first strike, they can take out the top guns of DC universe before they can react? from hulk and above. even if they will get surprised they will get into a fight. superman is not enough to just one shot guys like that.

It seems people have different approaches to the situation.

How would this playout in a comic if Superman had to conquer it?
How would this playout in a CBR-mode of Superman?
Is it a 'Black Adam in WWIII' type of scenario where Superman would have to engage everybody right away?
Is he allowed to plan?
etc.

Originally posted by Dareangel
so you believe an army of supermans will just land on earth, and take out the heaviest hitters of marvel in a blitz before they can react? again, there are being on marvel earth with cosmic awarness that will predict and know about this comming. they can warn the entire marvel universe and get ready. odin stops time and supermans are getting slaughtered. secondly, even if we let the supermans blitz. do you honestly believe even if they land the first strike, they can take out the top guns of DC universe before they can react? from hulk and above. even if they will get surprised they will get into a fight. superman is not enough to just one shot guys like that.

See the Quicksilver fight against the Uncanny Avengers.

He takes out Human Torch, Cable, Wasp, Brother Voodoo, Synapse etc.

And that was just one speedster, who is slower than Superman.

Where were the cosmic awareness guys when the Skrulls came to call? The Serpent? The Annihilation Wave?

Sure, Superman cannot one shot some of them. What if there were TWO Supermen, both punching Thor at the same time? Three? Four? Five? Some using HV at the same time? Etc etc.

It seems people have different approaches to the situation.

How would this playout in a comic if Superman had to conquer it?
How would this playout in a CBR-mode of Superman?
Is it a 'Black Adam in WWIII' type of scenario where Superman would have to engage everybody right away?
Is he allowed to plan?
etc.

Silver surfer turns the sun red

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See the Quicksilver fight against the Uncanny Avengers.

He takes out Human Torch, Cable, Wasp, Brother Voodoo, Synapse etc.

And that was just one speedster, who is slower than Superman.

Where were the cosmic awareness guys when the Skrulls came to call? The Serpent? The Annihilation Wave?

Sure, Superman cannot one shot some of them. What if there were TWO Supermen, both punching Thor at the same time? Three? Four? Five? Some using HV at the same time? Etc etc.

if comics used those characters all the time we wouldnt have interesting things to read. just as the cases when there is some big threat and the only ones to take care of that are the x men for example. thats for story purposes. as i pointed out, if marvel universe is using all its characters the way they can be used, cosmic awarness, superman army is stopped the way i described.

if we put that aside and still talk about blitzing then once again, superman cant blitz someone like odin or skyfather level beings and above. do you honestly see superman just flying and blitzing odin? a top skyfather level being? his awarness wont allow that. and odin is just an example. and we get there to begin with, only if we assume there is a huge army of supermans, hundreds of supermans who fly to different locations in marvel such as earth, asgard, shiar empire atc atc. again, it would take hundreds of supermans to cover the plan you suggested and still i dont see them bypassing the awarness of skyfathers, not to mention elder gods who will simply be aware and destroy them. its not a fight an army of supermans can win. there is a limit to herald level being even if its an army of those. simple things like time freezing, matter manipulation, magic, dimension travel to get kryptonite, will all simply destroy an army of supermans. there are beings who will simply absorb all the solar energy from the supermans. as i pointed out, superman has too many weaknesses to exploit.

Marvel has Molecule Man, Legion, Asgardian Destroyer, Juggernaut, Eternals, Inhumans, Avengers, Xmen, Dr Strange, etc

There will be a lot of dead superman

Hence my post about the big guns.

Guys like Strange et al, though, are dead.

Originally posted by riv6672
By the MU i mean conquering the earth, Asgard, Olympus, the major space empires, taking down any possible threats from top tier villains like Thanos, etc.

By Supermen i mean DCnu Superman (before he was replaced) multiplied by however many.
They have no resources from DC, just themselves. They appear en masse on Pluto and go from there.

Marvel have more reality warpers, and some high end cosmic/mystical beings to contend with.

And a lot of artifacts

Yes.