Aquaman Vs Spiderman Universe

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I could use Venom takes hits from Juggernaut.

He's also been torn out by both Namor and Ms Marvel...

Spiderman is able to consistently fight Venom..

So that's pretty faulty.

Aquaman should be faster, stronger, and more durable then anyone on this team. Their numbers hardly mean shit.

If you want me to do one up Aquaman has made team busters like Titus feel his hits when Hal and Barry couldn't get much of his Acknowledgement. He also broke Graves Pretas armor with his trident which noone on the main league seemed capable of doing.

Don't go full fangirl, Aquaman is just starting to regain some respect.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Spiderman villains shitstomp.

Can you explain why? I'm genuinely curious, as like I said before, I'm not as caught up on Spider-Man.

i'm with phil. 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you explain why? I'm genuinely curious, as like I said before, I'm not as caught up on Spider-Man.

Arthur doesn't have any showings to show he'd take this group. The only thing he has going for him is strength.

So...you didn't see he can now manipulate weather? And has a trident that can f*ck up Darkseid and other high end beings/enchantments/armors/etc...? And is strong enough to make Superman and Manhunter take notice?

You seem to think this is Super Friends Aquaman or something who can only talk to fish and pose dramatically.

Originally posted by KingD19
You seem to think this is Super Friends Aquaman or something who can only talk to fish and pose dramatically.

Maybe you should pick them up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you explain why? I'm genuinely curious, as like I said before, I'm not as caught up on Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Almost any on that list would be a good fight, one on one, for Aquaman. Arthur has good fights with Black Manta, and he's basically a Spiderman villain in power level. In fact, I'd give at least half of that list a majority against Black Manta, hard.

Arthur doesn't have any showings to show he'd take this group. The only thing he has going for him is strength.

I guess I just have to disagree, then. Unless he's changed since Rebirth and I missed it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I guess I just have to disagree, then. Unless he's changed since Rebirth and I missed it.

I wouldnt.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Would you give Namor the win against this team?

If the symbiotes weren't present, sure. With them? No.

That's what I'm asking though, which is relevant to this:

Originally posted by riv6672
Not speaking for Phil, but i believe the team wins, too.
The numbers game and relative power levels pretty much favor the team winning.
You have several class 25 and above characters, some with unreal agility and ways to pin Aquaman down to boot. Thats not even counting the one dumb brick, the savage brick who also has agility, the gadgeteer, the guy with tentacles that can and has held down top tiers, the energy user...

Have these guys:

Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Gotten upgrades that I'm not aware of? If they have, that's cool. I'd just like to know how etc.

I'm not highballing Arthur... Highballing is pretending Venom consistently is able to hang with Juggs. That's no offense kind of silly.

Most of the team are ineffective here, cause honestly whats Carnage and Venom suppose to do with Arthur?

What about Electro? Aquaman's trident absorbs energy...

Who else is here can do anything even relevant here? Cause I'm honestly not seeing it. If Aquaman fights competently he takes it pretty fast. I honestly cant think of a scenario on how the team comes up with a win..

It's funny cause it's typically stated Aquaman holds back against Manta in their fights. Manta even has weapons designed to harm Aquaman being his rogue and all. The team isn't designed like that. Out of all of Aquaman's rogues Manta is the weakest... and your pretending thats consistent and ignoring the context.. it's not consistent...

Neither is Venom vs Juggs..

Originally posted by -Pr-
If the symbiotes weren't present, sure. With them? No.

That's what I'm asking though, which is relevant to this:

Have these guys:

Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Gotten upgrades that I'm not aware of? If they have, that's cool. I'd just like to know how etc.

Exactly most of them are fodder... Aquaman during the Thule arc was physically manhandling a group of class 100's and we're pretending that characters way under that strength range can do better because numbers..

You:

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not highballing Arthur

Also you:

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I honestly cant think of a scenario on how the team comes up with a win..

Heads up: you're ruining his reputation by being absurd.

Aquaman consistently has problems with Black Manta.

Spiderman alone would shitstomp Black Manta.

Don't make me pull their fights.

How about f*cking Catman having faster combat speed and slicing him up? How does that bode for Spiderman vs Aquaman? Or Venom vs Aquaman?

Like I said, don't get me started. Aquaman has a good reputation on the forum, don't force me to stomp that.

For all the attempts in the comments to make this a stomp, this is an interesting matchup. Almost everyone in the villain roster can do something to contribute to the fight. Rhino can trade blows (not saying he'd win, but it wouldn't be a one-shot). Most versions of Ock's tentacles should be able to harm Arthur. Electro's highest feats are legitimately scary...like, beyond what we think of as Spidey-level stuff. Pete can obviously prolong fights with his agility and precog and hamper opponents with webs. The symbiotes pose various issues as well.

OP also - perhaps wisely, perhaps arbitrarily - left off some problematic Spidey rogues like Sandman and Hydroman.

So the onus is on Arthur to fight smart, as it is for the villains because he can of course pick them off one by one or two by two. But I do think a combined assault would overwhelm and kill Arthur pretty cleanly. So it's a matter of how you see the fight going down. I think eventually Arthur has to get dragged into some kind of brawl, and the combined speed of the opponents won't let him pick his spots as cleanly as he'd like. He'd get some licks in, probably punch off Otto or Norman's head, but ultimately get slowed by continuous webs and harried by attacks, and lose. Death by a thousand cuts, so to speak.

imo.

Gail Simone isn't a consistent writer for Aquaman...

Reference something with Johns, Parker, Abnett. Hell even Bunn's and you could see Aquaman operating better.

It's laughable at this point your lowballing given Aquaman had the Poseidon Blessing and wouldn't even have to physically try to touch Catman if he didn't want to. He had control over the wind, earth, lightning, hell even sea. Which happened to be the terrain they were in.. and your trying to suggest him having problems tagging Thomas underwater is consistent.. yeah right.

Johns had Aquaman BFR NuSuperman from a starting distance away from the group, by yards. Passing by Wonder Woman just to hit Superman.

He later went on to blitz Diana and Superman in the same arc.

He blitzed Atlan as well in the Johns run.

In the Parker run he blitzed a possessed Manhunter.

In the Bunn's run he beat up a group of CL 100 characters.

In the Abnett Run he danced around the Scavengers high tech suit.

Most of your nitpicking is going to involve nonfrequent writers or taking instances out of context. I've read enough Aquaman possibly and probably more to call you out on it. So be my guess and continue.

Why is quoting Philo broken?

Without the Trident or some form AOE attack, I'd give Venom/Carnage/Spider-Man definitely stalemating Arthur.

Team wins imo. This is potentially a very scary line up even for a mid herald imo. Sure we can use a high end portrayal of Aquaman but we can do the same for Spider-Man and he becomes a problem for Arthur himself. He's Aquaman not Hercules. He's never going to be portrayed at a level where beings of this team would be literally unable to hurt him.