Aquaman Vs Spiderman Universe

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you (please) recommend any arcs where the likes of Ock, Electro or Lizard are shown to be doing well against upper tier people?

@ Philo: Yeah, unfortunately.

I'll try to come up with some. My collection is basically nonexistent at this point, so it's all from memory. The Ends of the Earth arc was interesting for Ock and Electro.

Electro also has feats that are up there. Here's one I remembered and was able to Google:
http://i.imgur.com/LlyYr7q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XjkfOYM.jpg
As well as ones with some massive scope:
http://i.imgur.com/KEP4uNu.jpg

I see him as more than a trivial threat in this fight.

Notice, though, that I didn't reference Lizard in my posts. Or Goblin. They're the closest thing to non-factors here. Ock's only a threat because some versions of his tentacles are adamantium (all are at least reinforced titanium), so combine that with his ability to tag Spidey consistently, and he'd leave some bruises at the very least, and could tear Arthur up if he's not careful.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hardly, I've never seen Stark able to take a blast from Starro capable of one shotting Orion. Or a beating from Titus.

Or anything city level and beyond in strength. Stark relies on scaling off other characters.

The Starro blast could easily be considered a high outlier, to be fair.

I thought the Titus fight wasn't canon?

Originally posted by riv6672
Nothing so recent you wouldnt know about it.

I don't read a lot of Spider-Man. Of all the "big" names in comics, Spider-Man is the one I have the least knowledge of. So while I believe I have a vague idea of a lot of the characters in terms of what they can do, I was prepared to be proven wrong.

Aquaman's trident absorbs energy.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798032-5525607689-durab.jpg

Feel like at this point I'm knowing all these instances on my own..

Iron Man when using his power levels to the extreme, was able to momentarily hang with the elites like Hulk and Count Nefaria almost evenly when Aquaman was still getting manhandled by Superboy and was closer to Spider-Man than Superman. Stark's average is probably lower currently than 70's-early 00's but let's no go overboard. He can and has operated at levels above Aquaman.

Umm what? Grey Hulk is on average stronger than Aquaman. At his best, I've seen him straight up own a team that had Wonder Man and Iron Man on it. That was the incarnation that with aid pummeled through an asteroid twice the size of the Earth. Fixit has been used a straight up stand-in on par with the Green incarnation more than a few times. When did Stark one shot Fixit?

So wait, since you think Aquaman is stronger than Iron Man and reference Stark one-shotting Fixit, do you think Arthur can one shot Grey Hulk? Because that's hella funny. You'd need a pissed off Superman/Thor level guy to do that.

Is that canon? Because I've never seen that before. It looks like some Marvel Adventures comic. Not doubting you, just curious

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Starro blast could easily be considered a high outlier, to be fair.

I thought the Titus fight wasn't canon?

I don't read a lot of Spider-Man. Of all the "big" names in comics, Spider-Man is the one I have the least knowledge of. So while I believe I have a vague idea of a lot of the characters in terms of what they can do, I was prepared to be proven wrong.

Classified is cannon, and you were suggesting Iron Man's highs were superior to Aquaman's highs.. so I brought up the Starro instance.

Unless we're talking about amped irregular armors, I don't agree.

Slade bounces off Aquaman's muscles I don't see him doing the same to Spidey..

Originally posted by Digi
I'll try to come up with some. My collection is basically nonexistent at this point, so it's all from memory. The Ends of the Earth arc was interesting for Ock and Electro.

Electro also has feats that are up there. Here's one I remembered and was able to Google:
http://i.imgur.com/LlyYr7q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XjkfOYM.jpg
As well as ones with some massive scope:
http://i.imgur.com/KEP4uNu.jpg

I see him as more than a trivial threat in this fight.

Notice, though, that I didn't reference Lizard in my posts. Or Goblin. They're the closest thing to non-factors here. Ock's only a threat because some versions of his tentacles are adamantium (all are at least reinforced titanium), so combine that with his ability to tag Spidey consistently, and he'd leave some bruises at the very least, and could tear Arthur up if he's not careful.

Thanks 👆 You're THE Spidey guy on KMC, so thought I'd ask while you were here.

And yeah, Arthur can take a severe amount of blunt trauma, but he can be caught out by sharpy pointy stuff.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
This team would be turned into corpses if they were in the same fight against Shaggyman.

The character was stated to punch harder than Superman. Was causing Tremors 80 miles away at its base form just walking under the sea to top it off and shrugged off a city blast like it was nothing.

The Shaggyman instance helps my point out more than it helps your attempt to lowball.

Also anyone logical would take a writers input on a character who wrote 15+ issues of a character over 1 where most of the character abilities were ignored.

Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here.

You can't have "Aquaman can hang with Superman" and "Aquaman gets beaten to near-death and can't do shit to a Superman level opponent" in the same sentence and keep a straight face.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here.

Arthur gets bruised by bullets, so it doesn't take kryptonian weapons to hurt him 🙂

Black Manta also doesn't have any problems dealing with Arthur's 'I blitz Superman and Wonder Woman' speed, either.

Weird, right?

I think Black Manta has Aquaman-designed speed and hand to hand skill, too.

in a swarmed assault, electro can play with the electricity in arthur's brain from a distance (no energy to absorb, electro just manipulates HIS energy) while spidey wraps him in tons of webbing to allow the the symbiotes to enter inside arthur and kill him. or once he's incapacitated the symbiotes spear him to death with rhino and lizard. tbh if the team fights intelligently i don't really see a viable way that AM wins this. if they fight as pure individuals and don't work as a team he could win, otherwise he's pretty f'd imo. /shrug

edit--just saw digi's post. i agree mostly that gg is useless--he might be a good strategy guy though to get the team working together.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman's trident absorbs energy.

When?

I ask because Mjolnir for example absorbs energy. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen Aquaman's trident do anything of the sort unless I've missed some. About as many times as I've seen Spider-Man knock out someone in Aquaman's strength class or higher.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Classified is cannon, and you were suggesting Iron Man's highs were superior to Aquaman's highs.. so I brought up the Starro instance.

Unless we're talking about amped irregular armors, I don't agree.

Slade bounces off Aquaman's muscles I don't see him doing the same to Spidey..

I used to think Classified was canon. Then I read that some of it wasn't. So I'm a bit up in the air about it.

Are we including Preboot Arthur in this? Or just New 52. I don't know what's going on with Rebirth, so I don't know what is and isn't canon right now.

Slade? As in Deathstroke?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Thanks 👆 You're THE Spidey guy on KMC, so thought I'd ask while you were here.

And yeah, Arthur can take a severe amount of blunt trauma, but he can be caught out by sharpy pointy stuff.

Lol. Thanks. I've given up any claim to such titles a while back, though. You're THE Aquaman guy, so I'm mostly just scared that I'm going to overlook some newer or less well-known aspect of his powers. My take on this fight is based on what I know of him, which isn't nothing, but also is far from comprehensive.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Iron Man when using his power levels to the extreme, was able to momentarily hang with the elites like Hulk and Count Nefaria almost evenly when Aquaman was still getting manhandled by Superboy and was closer to Spider-Man than Superman. Stark's average is probably lower currently than 70's-early 00's but let's no go overboard. He can and has operated at levels above Aquaman.

Umm what? Grey Hulk is on average stronger than Aquaman. At his best, I've seen him straight up own a team that had Wonder Man and Iron Man on it. When did Stark one shot Fixit?

So wait, since you think Aquaman is stronger than Iron Man and reference Stark one-shotting Fixit, do you think Arthur can one shot Grey Hulk? Because that's hella funny. You'd need a pissed off Superman/Thor level guy to do that.

Is that canon? Because I've never seen that before. It looks like some Marvel Adventures comic. Not doubting you, just curious

Ironman Energy blasted Fixit and he was down, I think it was in the contest of Champions series.

And no Grulk isn't stronger than Aquaman... Aquaman held back against Superboy which both characters attested to. Read the comic don't just look at the pictures, and Aquaman got stronger over the years. Hell in Marvel vs DC, Aquaman had Iron Man fleeing when they fought.

The Spidey instance is cannon. It's from Sensational Spiderman. During the Marvel Knights era..

Fixit isn't really that strong.. He retains intelligence but looses alot of the strength other versions of Hulk has. Ms Marvel has beat on Fixit..

Originally posted by Digi
Lol. Thanks. I've given up any claim to such titles a while back, though. You're THE Aquaman guy, so I'm mostly just scared that I'm going to overlook some newer or less well-known aspect of his powers. My take on this fight is based on what I know of him, which isn't nothing, but also is far from comprehensive.

lol thank you too, though Mungi knows more than me, admittedly. He's read even more than I have, as I largely refuse to touch pre-crisis stuff.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When?

I ask because Mjolnir for example absorbs energy. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen Aquaman's trident do anything of the sort unless I've missed some. About as many times as I've seen Spider-Man knock out someone in Aquaman's strength class or higher.

The first Aquaman annual in the New52 he Absorbed Morgane Lefay's Energy blast.

Hell PAD had it Absorbing laser gun fire. So it's nothing new..

I'm sure you have in regards to Parker it's far from consistent but whatever.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I used to think Classified was canon. Then I read that some of it wasn't. So I'm a bit up in the air about it.

Are we including Preboot Arthur in this? Or just New 52. I don't know what's going on with Rebirth, so I don't know what is and isn't canon right now.

Slade? As in Deathstroke?

I'm jumping around with continuity. And focusing on Pre/Post-Flashpoint

Yes Slade as in Deathstroke.

I'd like to rep Arthur for the win here, but Carnage and Venom would most certainly ruin his day with those tendrils. When reading the OP I was expecting to see Morlun in the thread. Oh well, team should take it but only due to the symbiotes.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm jumping around with continuity. And focusing on Pre/Post-Flashpoint

Yes Slade as in Deathstroke.

I'm not at all caught up with it, so I'll take your word for it. I really stopped enjoying Aquaman once Johns left, so I haven't read most of what came after.

Originally posted by leonidas
in a swarmed assault, electro can play with the electricity in arthur's brain from a distance (no energy to absorb, electro just manipulates HIS energy) while spidey wraps him in tons of webbing to allow the the symbiotes to enter inside arthur and kill him. or once he's incapacitated the symbiotes spear him to death with rhino and lizard. tbh if the team fights intelligently i don't really see a viable way that AM wins this. if they fight as pure individuals and don't work as a team he could win, otherwise he's pretty f'd imo. /shrug

edit--just saw digi's post. i agree mostly that gg is useless--he might be a good strategy guy though to get the team working together.

Let's not forget that Aquaman is a non-flier. Spider-Man, Venom and Carnage can take turns webbing and throwing him around, while he's helplessly ping-ponged between them.

Spiderman has done this to Iron Man:

..and here he has Venom and Carnage to back him up.

Between Electro messing him up, the trio constantly pummeling him and dodging his attacks/webbing him up, the symbiotes being able to stab [which definitely works on Aquaman, and I'll pull up scans if needed], entering his orifices [yeah...], there's endless options for them to win. Rhino charging him randomly, Doc Ock keeping him busy with multiple angles of attack,etc.

Aquaman can, like, totally punch them or stab them with the trident. ha-ermm

It's funny how someone can read something and ignore everything that's said in the comic... Shaggyman is a JL team buster. It was stated in the exact Aquaman comic. So if anyone actually read it or attempted to, but for some reason can't read. It was mentioned he Strikes harder than Superman and adapts to every attack.

Aquaman stabbed him with his trident something characters like Rao or Graves would of died from another Team buster pair and Shaggyman just casually tossed it aside. Aquaman rocked Shaggyman a couple times but given his nature beating him was impossible.

This argument comes down to the inability to understand Aquaman has more fights outside Manta, which has context btw. This got stupid really fast and became " Manta, Manta Manta" ignoring Herc, Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Atlan and Ocean Master. As well as the several giants Aquaman has fought.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not at all caught up with it, so I'll take your word for it. I really stopped enjoying Aquaman once Johns left, so I haven't read most of what came after.

The Slade thing is Pre-Flashpoint if that's what you were asking not Nu52 onwards.