Aquaman Vs Spiderman Universe

Started by EcstaticGrace13 pages

Originally posted by Digi
For all the attempts in the comments to make this a stomp, this is an interesting matchup. Almost everyone in the villain roster can do something to contribute to the fight. Rhino can trade blows (not saying he'd win, but it wouldn't be a one-shot). Most versions of Ock's tentacles should be able to harm Arthur. Electro's highest feats are legitimately scary...like, beyond what we think of as Spidey-level stuff. Pete can obviously prolong fights with his agility and precog and hamper opponents with webs. The symbiotes pose various issues as well.

OP also - perhaps wisely, perhaps arbitrarily - left off some problematic Spidey rogues like Sandman and Hydroman.

So the onus is on Arthur to fight smart, as it is for the villains because he can of course pick them off one by one or two by two. But I do think a combined assault would overwhelm and kill Arthur pretty cleanly. So it's a matter of how you see the fight going down. I think eventually Arthur has to get dragged into some kind of brawl, and the combined speed of the opponents won't let him pick his spots as cleanly as he'd like. He'd get some licks in, probably punch off Otto or Norman's head, but ultimately lose.

imo.

Aquaman oneshotted King Shark who was able to fight with Superboy and Omac.

He took down Graves with the backend of his trident.

And also overpowered a group of Kryptonians under Hitch's pen.

I don't see anyone physically contending with him, especially with his trident in his possession.

I guess the assembled villains are more of a threat than I realised.

Also, Philo, what's up with the weird threat?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Without the Trident, I'd give Venom/Carnage/Spider-Man a win over Aquaman more than not imo.

Team wins imo. This is potentially a very scary line up even for a mid herald imo. Sure we can use a high end portrayal of Aquaman but we can do the same for Spider-Man and he becomes a problem for Arthur himself.

Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

Aquaman Punches Superman and shows no sign of pain doing so..

Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman oneshotted King Shark who was able to fight with Superboy and Omac.

He took down Graves with the backend of his trident.

And also overpowered a group of Kryptonians under Hitch's pen.

I don't see anyone physically contending with him, especially with his trident in his possession.

But most of the characters are going to be significantly quicker than him in reaction time. The symbiotes, Pete obviously, and heck, Ock has a better track record of tagging Spidey than literally anyone, ever. And that's before a trip to Pornhub's worth of webbing to slow him down and probably some synaptic shenanigans from Electro once he realizes brute force isn't a good tactic. If you think any of their attacks can harm Aquaman - and I think it would be foolish to claim otherwise - at best he's leaving this fight severely bloodied.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Gail Simone isn't a consistent writer for Aquaman...
Gail Simone not writing Aquaman consistently doesn't make her non-canon. The showing is just as valid as any, and it paints a clearly different picture from your naive position.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Reference something with Johns, Parker, Abnett. Hell even Bunn's and you could see Aquaman operating better.
I can. Aquaman vs Black Manta, who is basically a poor man's Black Panther with eye lasers.

Do you want to make Black Manta vs Venom?
Black Manta vs Spiderman?
Black Manta vs Carnage?

Make the threads, and I'll meet you there 🙂

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's laughable at this point your lowballing given Aquaman had the Poseidon Blessing and wouldn't even have to physically try to touch Catman if he didn't want to. He had control over the wind, earth, lightning, hell even sea. Which happened to be the terrain they were in.. and your trying to suggest him having problems tagging Thomas underwater is consistent.. yeah right.

I'm literally the most impatial [maybe even slightly biased towards] Aquaman guy on the forum. I want him to do well. What I don't want him is to turn into a joke [like Wonder Woman has, which has taken a long time to repair] due to fanboys.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Johns had Aquaman BFR NuSuperman from a starting distance away from the group, by yards. Passing by Wonder Woman just to hit Superman.

He later went on to blitz Diana and Superman in the same arc.

Plenty of characters have punched Superman away.

You first need to learn some new terms, too, such as bullrushing, and to differentiate it from blitzing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why is quoting Philo broken?

I think it's the Ã_ in my username.

lol, I can't even quote the character in my username without the forum breaking down. Now I can't even edit my last post.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

Aquaman Punches Superman and shows no sign of pain doing so..

Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

Actually, Spider-Man's record fighting someone like Aquaman and doing well is more consistent than Aquaman fighting someone like Superman and doing well from what I've seen.

Umm okay so? Even Grey Hulk when angry is noticeable more durable than Aquaman and the Green incarnation could literally rip him in half (Sentry vs. Ares style) if he was mad enough.

When has Spider-Man hurt his hand punching Iron Man? Depending on the armor and how much energy he's exerting, Iron Man is stronger and more durable (The durability part doesn't make much sense but whatever) than Aquaman.

I'm not arguing that Aquaman can't punch the shit out of Spider-Man or that Spider-Man is as strong. Don't misunderstand me, he is however faster/more agile and is strong enough that getting hit will affect him.

**** sake Philo; you and your fancy name.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level. However, focusing on "hurt his hand" isn't helping your case in trying to convince anyone you're giving both sides a fair shake here.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

Originally posted by -Pr-
**** sake Philo; you and your fancy name.
Who can change it, to put a normal 'i'? Only Raz [a.k.a. once in 5 years he logs in]?

Originally posted by Digi
Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.

He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level.

But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

Can you (please) recommend any arcs where the likes of Ock, Electro or Lizard are shown to be doing well against upper tier people?

@ Philo: Yeah, unfortunately.

Do you prevent people from quoting you, so your silliness can't be pointed out.

If a writer doesn't wrote a character consistently, their input is pretty weak on the characters capabilities.

Given Aquaman's inability to call on his other powers, or his feats of tagging characters way faster than Catman from people who write him consistently should tell why the Secret Six instance is nothing short of BS. Hell he was wearing Armor and Catman was able to cut through it with his claws..

Regardless he has more highs then lows in the Nu52 onward. So I don't understand the appeal of you trying to pretend otherwise and that this isn't a joke of a match.

In pretty much every fight with Manta, when Aquaman said he was going to end the fight.. guess what? He ended it. Manta doesn't get any hits in unless their sneak attacks, or Aquaman's fighting stupid.

Atlan, Ocean Master, Chimera, Hercules, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman all outweigh your repetitive attempts to bring up Manta and Catman.

I'd like this thread not to get filled with personal jabs, so hopefully you guys can stop before you get any more started.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually, Spider-Man's record fighting someone like Aquaman and doing well is more consistent than Aquaman fighting someone like Superman and doing well from what I've seen.

Umm okay so? Even Grey Hulk when angry is noticeable more durable than Aquaman and the Green incarnation could literally rip him in half (Sentry vs. Ares style) if he was mad enough.

When has Spider-Man hurt his hand punching Iron Man? Depending on the armor and how much energy he's exerting, Iron Man is stronger and more durable (The durability part doesn't make much sense but whatever) than Aquaman.

I'm not arguing that Aquaman can't punch the shit out of Spider-Man or that Spider-Man is as strong. Don't misunderstand me, he is however faster/more agile and is strong enough that getting hit will affect him.

Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798032-5525607689-durab.jpg

Feel like at this point I'm knowing all these instances on my own..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
If a writer doesn't wrote a character consistently, their input is pretty weak on the characters capabilities.

There no 'degrees' of input, just because you don't like a showing.

If Simone had Aquaman roflstomping the Secret six you'd be jerking it off in this whole thread.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Given Aquaman's inability to call on his other powers, or his feats of tagging characters way faster than Catman from people who write him consistently should tell why the Secret Six instance is nothing short of BS.

Hulk has tagged Gladiator, Sentry, Quicksilver and many others.

Spiderman still blitzes him to shit.

'Tagging' somebody doesn't mean shit.

Or Flash's Rogues are some of the fastest people alive.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
has more highs then lows in the Nu52 onward. So I don't understand the appeal of you trying to pretend otherwise and that this isn't a joke of a match.
It is a joke of a match, in the sense that Aquaman doesn't win.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In pretty much every fight with Manta, when Aquaman said he was going to end the fight.. guess what? He ended it. Manta doesn't get any hits in unless their sneak attacks, or Aquaman's fighting stupid.

Black Manta has hurt Aquaman, repeatedly, in multiple fights, under multiple writers, without 'sneak attacks'.

'Aquaman fighting stupid' is you pulling your hands on your ears and screaming "WAH WAH EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SNEAK ATTACK OR STUPID".

Doesn't work like that 🙂

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Atlan, Ocean Master, Chimera, Hercules, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman all outweigh your repetitive attempts to bring up Manta and Catman.

You don't seem to understand that it's not a neither/or situation.

You can't put a blindfold and ignore his numerous fights with Manta just because you don't like it. You can't ignore Catman, because you don't like it. You can't pick JUST his exchange with Wonder Woman, because that's up your alley.

Just recently, Aquaman nearly got killed by Shaggyman.

We don't go soley by what you deem right for the character's capabilities.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
[B]Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..

I think you'd have a REALLY hard time proving that Aquaman at his best has better feats in strength and durability than Iron Man at his best.

Originally posted by Digi
Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.

He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level. However, focusing on "hurt his hand" isn't helping your case in trying to convince anyone you're giving both sides a fair shake here.

But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

It honestly does help to bring up hurting his hand.. Cause it suggest physically Parker isn't at a level Aquaman is at..

I don't see Spidey doing anything like this

http://m.imgur.com/EvwzQ2g

http://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s

http://m.imgur.com/H2Mnv8t

Spidey can't physically hang with powerhouses. He has to rely on his agility. And against a character like Aquaman that doesn't help much.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think you'd have a REALLY hard time proving that Aquaman at his best has better feats in strength and durability than Iron Man at his best.

Hardly, I've never seen Stark able to take a blast from Starro capable of one shotting Orion. Or a beating from Titus.

Or anything city level and beyond in strength. Stark relies on scaling off other characters.

This team would be turned into corpses if they were in the same fight against Shaggyman.

The character was stated to punch harder than Superman. Was causing Tremors 80 miles away at its base form just walking under the sea to top it off and shrugged off a city blast like it was nothing.

The Shaggyman instance helps my point out more than it helps your attempt to lowball.

Also anyone logical would take a writers input on a character who wrote 15+ issues of a character over 1 where most of the character abilities were ignored.

Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If the symbiotes weren't present, sure. With them? No.

Have these guys:

Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Gotten upgrades that I'm not aware of? If they have, that's cool. I'd just like to know how etc.


Nothing so recent you wouldnt know about it.