Darth Tyranus vs Karness Muur (Force only)

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Darth Tyranus vs Karness Muur (Force only)

I've moved considerably in favour of Tyranus on this matchup, but I'm still curious to see what other people think of it.

If you think Tyranus wins, how would Maul do against Muur?

Fight takes place on a massive, open plateau.

That depends on how powerful you think Legacy Krayt is...

Well, just post your own stance on the matter.

If we take what Tyranus thought of the abilities of the ancient Sith as an indicator of his power, then I guess he wins.

What did Tyranus think of the Ancient Sith other than the fact that they were fascinating and he embraced their teachings?

He thought of their spells as "lesser arts".

Muur wins.

Originally posted by Azronger
He thought of their spells as "lesser arts".
I don't think he did...

Not all of them. Just the ones he taught Ventress. We know that he withheld certain arts from Ventress, which could well entail certain other Ancient Sith powers.

I mean, if Dooku witnessed Muur use Essence Transfer or Dark Transfer, or even Drain, Lightning, Maelstrom, etc. he certainly wouldn't consider those "lesser arts".

He thought re-animating the dead was a "lesser art", which admittedly is something Sorzus Syn, someone as powerful/more powerful than Muur, struggled with.

Anyways, Dooku takes it since I doubt he can't replicate stalemating a near-death, exhausted Krayt who's wasting most of his reserves fighting off Vong implants.

Originally posted by MythLord
He thought re-animating the dead was a "lesser art", which admittedly is something Sorzus Syn, someone as powerful/more powerful than Muur, struggled with.

What proof is there that Syn is more powerful than Muur? It's safe to call her a contemporary of his but I'm unsure of the source for people making these claims about Syn being more powerful than Muur and Dreypa.

Anyways, Dooku takes it since I doubt he can't replicate stalemating a near-death, exhausted Krayt who's wasting most of his reserves fighting off Vong implants.

Exhausted? He came to Had Abbadon fresh and with Muur performing some preliminary healing which we know was enough to make Krayt feel noticeably better.

As for using his energy to fight off Vong implants, it can just as easily be said that Muur was fighting with Celeste Morne for control over her body.

And stalemating Krayt? He seemed to be the one at the advantage, and we know he was more powerful than Krayt.

Krayt doesn't say he feels better, he just says its working. But given its interrupted in seconds its very unlikely it had any notable effect at all. And Myth is referring to the fact that Krayt was dogpiled by Rakghouls before that.

Regardless, Muur > Krayt > Dooku is what I'm leaning.

You would think that he himself experienced a noticeable change in order to make the claim that it was working.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What proof is there that Syn is more powerful than Muur? It's safe to call her a contemporary of his but I'm unsure of the source for people making these claims about Syn being more powerful than Muur and Dreypa.

In Book of the Sith Sorzus notes that she made a third amulet, one far more powerful than either Muur's or Dreypa's. It's reasonable to assume she became more powerful.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Exhausted? He came to Had Abbadon fresh and with Muur performing some preliminary healing which we know was enough to make Krayt feel noticeably better.

Yeah, Muur began the healing process but it was interrupted by Celeste. And Krayt felt it would work, not that he's suddenly noticeably better. Besides, a duel that lasted literally miliseconds left Krayt absolutely exhausted. Before facing Karness, he fought Rakghouls for several minutes off-panel.

His reserves would be near their limit and to further weaken them, Karness kept draining Krayt to amp himself.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As for using his energy to fight off Vong implants, it can just as easily be said that Muur was fighting with Celeste Morne for control over her body.

You can say it just as easily -- proving it's as massive a hinderence is much harder. Vong implants have made Force users as powerful as Jacen(albeit a teenage Jacen) become near-deaf to the Force and they eat away at Krayt's insides by the second.

Karness was already noted as overpowering Morne's will, so I doubt she'd be as much a hinderence as wasting the vast majority of your Force reserves on insects that are eating you from the inside-out and lowering your connection to the Force.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And stalemating Krayt? He seemed to be the one at the advantage, and we know he was more powerful than Krayt.

The two seemed at a stalemate. And it was stated Muur "outshown" both Cade and Krayt, IIRC, which can be attributed to Hett's poor condition. Insider notes that Krayt was the most powerful Dark Sider of the time, if I'm not mistaken, and that includes Muur.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Muur > Krayt > Dooku is what I'm leaning.
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Nah; Dooku's > Vong Krayt, prolly.

Prolly not, and Muur is stronger besides.

Barely, tbh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You would think that he himself experienced a noticeable change in order to make the claim that it was working.
Noticeable, not necessarily notable. Krayt is no chump, he should be able to notice even minuscule developments in his own body. However a few seconds of healing is going to do very little to wash away a century of disease and decay imo.

Originally posted by MythLord
Nah; Dooku's > Vong Krayt, prolly.

Not in the Force, imo.