DOS Doomsday vs Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Jun can I assume that you're not interested in the BZ I proposed? As passionate as you are about the topic it seems like a cause you wouldn't want to entrust to another since the judges ruling in my favor would affect how future discussions about it go but I can understand if you'd rather pass on the whole thing. I'm not trying to harp on it, just get a solid answer so I know how much effort into finding a different opponent.

My position stands resolute with comic portrayals and encompasses all given information. Yours is in contrast to them or unsupported by them and you've repeatedly been proven wrong through the course of this. You have not produced one shred of actual evidence in here that actually supports you. That's all I need.

I suggest if you want to debate Doomsday and not include his history and contain him to the one TPB, then you should develop a moniker for that and debate in those threads.

When we say WWH, or OWAW Superman, we don't necessarily relegate them to those arcs alone, their histories prior to those arcs are included in the capabilities, though they often don't need them.

It would be a ridiculous hamstring like saying "Bruce Wayne Murders" version of Bruce Wayne vs Daredevil, and you don't get to use any of Batman's MA feats for the last 50 years . You must use only Bruce Wayne's, and only from this arc.

As such, Hulk still gets his history when using WWH.

Why would you believe Doomsday shouldn't get his, and use a ton of unsupported poorly thought out angles to try to make shit ambiguous only in your own mind?

Originally posted by Juntai
I have no need or interest for it. I never have. I always debated freely in open threads where anyone can support my or my opponent side.

My position stands resolute with comic portrayals and encompasses all given information. Yours is in contrast to them or unsupported by them and you've repeatedly been proven wrong through the course of this. You have not produced one shred of actual evidence in here that actually supports you. That's all I need.

I suggest if you want to debate Doomsday and not include his history and contain him to the one TPB, then you should develop a moniker for that and debate in those threads.

When we say WWH, or OWAW Superman, we don't necessarily relegate them to those arcs alone, their histories prior to those arcs are included in the capabilities, though they often don't need them.

It would be a ridiculous hamstring like saying "Bruce Wayne Murders" version of Bruce Wayne vs Daredevil, and you don't get to use any of Batman's MA feats for the last 50 years . You must use only Bruce Wayne's, and only from this arc.

As such, Hulk still gets his history when using WWH.

Why would you believe Doomsday shouldn't get his, and use a ton of unsupported poorly thought out angles to try to make shit ambiguous only in your own mind?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey, YOU may feel that they're poorly thought out angles but I don't and I know there are at least a few others who agree with me. So I'll go ahead and try to arrange a proper opportunity to make a case to change forum policy in regards to DOS DD because I feel I can make a solid case for it. You're obviously free to take up the flag of the opposition, I was just extending the opportunity to you personally because I know you'd be able to make as good of a case as possible to the contrary and that kind of thing is necessary if one is seeking to affect actual change on the forum.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanks for the consideration. I've just never been interested in it. I like the free exchange. When it goes down I may enter, the fray but my appearances on the forum are often sporadic as well.

Originally posted by darthgoober
See I can understand why some might believe that, but then I think about pics like this...

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_energy5.jpg.html

As you can see, we have a good idea of what DD looks like and the uncovered shoulder has a full protrusion shown. On the other shoulder though, there's still not so much as a bulge. There's no mystery being maintained by not showing a bulge or even the bone simply tearing through the suit while leaving the shoulder covered. Could it simply be a matter of the artists choice of depiction, absolutely. On the other hand my point is that I don't believe it can be definitively stated that DD was fully regenerated from his "death" and the lack of a bone protrusion can certainly be interpreted as supporting that fact. Logically, if he's fully regenerated he SHOULD have his full bone set by this point. Given things like this, being cut off from solar energy for 250,000 years, his lack of feats on the level of his highs from his flashback issues, and Supes specifically commenting that the Warrior hit him harder than DD did I believe that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that hadn't quite reached the level of power in this arc than he had shown in the flashbacks. I'm not even suggesting that he was DEFINATELY less powerful, I'm just pointing out that it can't be said that he was DEFINATELY equal to what he was before, let alone more powerful.

I mean most assume that Molecule Man was less powerful against Sentry based simply on his lack of universal/multiversal feats in the story, and it's not like DD was actually busting out feats on the level of taking on a Guardian during DOS. And that's not even taking into consideration the potential amp the Guardian theorized he received from the ring. All things considered I believe it makes a lot more sense to consider his showings to be totally arc dependent from DOS because there's just too much ambiguity and inconsistencies surrounding that particular event. We have a policy against pushing WBH and HOTM Hulk levels for WWH even if the thread stipulates that he's going all out and even though it was made clear in those arcs that WWH was actually holding back. I think DOS DD should be considered a stand alone depiction expect for SPECIFIC rectons of the event like DC expanding the collateral damage done from shattering windows via punch induced shockwaves to seismic tremors and natural disasters. And even that's actually giving him more leeway than we give Hulk because we don't allow rectons to WWH's true level of power in debates.

I am confident of this fact, because as we saw in H/P(which was written by the same writer who originally created Doomsday and wrote DoS, mind you): when Doomsday was first spawned ~250,000 years ago on ancient Krypton, ALL of the bony protrusions he's had in every one of his appearances since, were still present:

*And that was under a RED sun -- no yellow sunlight was even available for him to absorb.

We also know the protrusions do not diminish/lessen when Doomsday is 'killed', as they were still present weeks after his 'death' at the hands of Superman:

...Which makes sense, as they are simply a permanent byproduct of DD's forced evolution -- an extension of his very skeletal structure:

*His skeleton doesn't diminish/lessen with the absence of sunlight, so why would the protrusions..?

Annnyway, those Calatonian burial suits evidently do wonders at hiding a being's physical features. When we were shown a retelling of his 'death' at the hands of Radiant, a 'suited' Doomsday just looks like a large humanoid with broad shoulders, despite the fact that his massive protrusions were obviously still present:

So yeah. 👆

👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I am quite certain that DC purposefully hid all of Doomsday's physical characteristics under that suit, because it was his very first appearance and they wanted his reveal to be gradual. This does not change the fact that the protrusions were always present, however.

I am confident of this fact, because as we saw in H/P(which was written by the same writer who originally created Doomsday and wrote DoS, mind you): when Doomsday was first spawned ~250,000 years ago on ancient Krypton, ALL of the bony protrusions he's had in every one of his appearances since, were still present:

*And that was under a RED sun -- no yellow sunlight was even available for him to absorb.

We also know the protrusions do not diminish/lessen when Doomsday is 'killed', as they were still present weeks after his 'death' at the hands of Superman:

...Which makes sense, as they are simply a permanent byproduct of DD's forced evolution -- an extension of his very skeletal structure:

*His skeleton doesn't diminish/lessen with the absence of sunlight, so why would the protrusions..?

Annnyway, those Calatonian burial suits evidently do wonders at hiding a being's physical features. When we were shown a retelling of his 'death' at the hands of Radiant, a 'suited' Doomsday just looks like a large humanoid with broad shoulders, despite the fact that his massive protrusions were obviously still present:

So yeah. 👆

The fact that the first scan is actually under a red sun should end the debate right here.

I have a feeling it won't.

I wanted to post it, but I own a paper copy (hence my use if quotes).

I hate Old Man Gaylan.

Paper comics are for poor people.

vin

😂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure he is.

Oh really? Care to put that scan here?

I never said anything about the GL ring but you brought it up as if I had. I personally DO believe it was responsible for DD's showing against the Guardian but Celey is handling that argument so I didn't see the point in me focusing on it personally.

The ring was vaporized. It didn't protect him from that blast.

Power Girl is a Pre Crisis Kryptonian too, not every PC Kryptonian is the equal of Silver Age Supes at the zenith of his portrayals of power.

Uh-huh, she is a weaker version of pre crisis kryptonian I.e. Earth 2 version.

And the pocket dimension kryptonians were specifically designed to be at pre crisis level.That's why pocket dimension Superboy was even created.

I seem to remember him absolutely trouncing Brainiac in HP DD's body.

In Doomsday wars? Doomsday beat him black and blue.

You have a terrible memory.

Did he not? He may have just said that Warrior hit harder(I have no problem admitting that my recollection may be slightly off) but the point stands.

No, it doesn't.And Superman had actually fought HP Doomsday at that point, so he was rererring that version.

No need.

Uh-huh.

Abhi, start qouting people properly.

I mean, you're bragging about being 100% sober in all areas, then start acting like it vin

I love Supes' fans destroying themselves in this thread, btw. So sweet. Next thread will be about DD's boner, I bet.

PS. Yes, Thor gets one-shotted.

Logan is still dead stilt.

Prghqwrtqiowue//

Fuck.

You.

This was tweeted by Axel Alonso recently

Yeah, it was. Apparently old art, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend

The ring was vaporized. It didn't protect him from that blast.

But wutever. We've been through this.

4/10 for thor

^ Colossus has spoken, close the thread 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Prghqwrtqiowue//

Fuck.

You.