Originally posted by DigiNah, that version was an Old God from the Third World:
Refresh my memory...is this the Gog that the JSA cut his head off and welded it to the Source Wall?
I am using the version from The Kingdom, whose powers were gleaned from the Quintessence as well as Hypertime.
Tough one
Gog was imbued with the power of the Quintessence (minus PS), which should make him an uber threat (he was). Ultimately he ended up with way more power than they intended him to have. His staff was powerful enough to blast a hole into hypertime and 1 hit kill dozens of Supermen from across time. That's more raw power - for sure - than we saw from the team. If you want to get into PIS, he blasted a hole in Mxy which made Mxy flee back to the 5th dimension.
Yeah, I think he's > Skyfather. He should win.
Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful.
Originally posted by Digi
Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful.
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Originally posted by Cogito
Tough oneGog was imbued with the power of the Quintessence (minus PS), which should make him an uber threat (he was). Ultimately he ended up with way more power than they intended him to have. His staff was powerful enough to blast a hole into hypertime and 1 hit kill dozens of Supermen from across time. That's more raw power - for sure - than we saw from the team. If you want to get into PIS, he blasted a hole in Mxy which made Mxy flee back to the 5th dimension.
Yeah, I think he's > Skyfather. He should win.
Wasn't that blast made of red sunlight?
Originally posted by DigiGranted his appearances are limited, but Gog still has feats enough to make this a great fight, imo.
Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful.
His brute strength is sufficient to ragdoll numerous Supermen, and Superman-level beings, like fodder:
His speed is sufficient to easily out-perceive/react to a blitzing Flash:
Even when Rip Hunter was literally stepping in-between NANOseconds to try and out-speed Gog, it STILL wasn't remotely enough -- Gog countered him effortlessly:
*Mind you, Gog was able to preform the above speed feats while his concentration was also focused on the other beings fighting him. Insane.
Gog could also absorb [seemingly] ANY type of energy(be it magical, cosmic, elemental, etc.), and use it to amp his own power:
He could also manifest entirely new abilities on the fly, after stealing them from their host:
Originally posted by DiesldudeThe heat of a DOZEN red suns, in fact:
Wasn't that blast made of red sunlight?
However, his staff also contained vastly more power than just star-heat:
PIS or not, that immense power is why the staff was haxx enough to do retarded shit like blast a hole through an unprepared Mxy:
And shatter the barriers of Hypertime itself:
The dude was friggin ridiculous.
Yeah. Nothing you said is wrong. The reaction feat is most impressive to me. Tbh, the ragdolling and one-shot-level power is something plenty of teambusters have displayed. Among them, various Amazo robots that Gog himself mentions. Or Onimar Synn, to name another DC villain I'd probably give the nod to over Gog. And I'm not sure we can really make heads or tails of the Mxy feat. Without additional context, we can't really say it did lasting damage. Granted, the Onimar Synns of the world are healthy upper-Trans.-level beings. I'm just not sure I could say more than that.
Given time, the implications of those feats are enormous. But we've also seen hundreds of villains with similarly absurd initial showings come down to earth - so to speak - when given more time. So, as mentioned, despite those beastly showings, there's still a lot of "implied vs. actual" to me in the power level you're wanting to ascribe to him.
Originally posted by DigiTo each his own. 👆
Yeah. Nothing you said is wrong. The reaction feat is most impressive to me. Tbh, the ragdolling and one-shot-level power is something plenty of teambusters have displayed. Among them, various Amazo robots that Gog himself mentions. Or Onimar Synn, to name another DC villain I'd probably give the nod to over Gog. And I'm not sure we can really make heads or tails of the Mxy feat. Without additional context, we can't really say it did lasting damage. Granted, the Onimar Synns of the world are healthy upper-Trans.-level beings. I'm just not sure I could say more than that.Given time, the implications of those feats are enormous. But we've also seen hundreds of villains with similarly absurd initial showings come down to earth - so to speak - when given more time. So, as mentioned, despite those beastly showings, there's still a lot of "implied vs. actual" to me in the power level you're wanting to ascribe to him.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreSuperman managed to redirect a blast from Gog's staff, which tore a hole in Hypertime itself that pulled Gog in with it:
Damn. Pretty uber for Gog. How was he defeated?
Afterward, the heroes were able to deliver Gog back to the Quintessence:
