With the galaxy now ripe for conquest, the Emperor has become the most powerful Sith Lord of all and a master of the Dark Side of the Force, ordering the extermination of the Jedi Order with the aid of his apprentice, the deadly Darth Vader.
From the Legends Epic Collection, would be one.
In regards to DE though, this was very likely because Palpatine hadn't been established as a Sith Lord yet. I don't think this is necessarily proof he abandoned the moniker.
Ah, yes. That quote.
As I said, the definition of "Sith" was not yet founded at the point DE was written. But at this point, we may never get actual confirmation that he's a Sith.
In any case, this topic does remind me that I don't agree with the extent of the disparity between the Ones and Palpatine/Luke Skywalker that many people seem to believe in.
Ableoth's "dozen times Force strength" quote is almost certainly hyperbole to me, to be honest.
That's in reference to RotJ. All of the ones from the DE Endnotes about Palpatine being the most powerful dark sider are referring to RotJ, in fact. In which case the Son's quote applies and retcons them.
Except the one about taming the dark side (I can't remember if it is), but the Son is literally the personification of the dark side, so he's exempt from the quote as well.
So yeah, it's all good actually 🙂
Well, DE Palpatine has no new quotes of supremacy amongst dark side wielders. They're from RotJ, by which time we know the Son to be more powerful than Palpatine. In other words, DE Palpatine has the potential to surpass the Son (as in you can make the argument freely) but he's certainly not factually superior or anything of the sort.
And chances are, people won't be making that argument, although as I said before, I don't believe the gap is nearly as big as most people make out.
Confirmation that DE Palpatine is still a Sith Lord tbh, as he was still seeking out a Sith apprentice:
Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the ForceStill within the domain of the Sith Lords. 🙂It has been six years since the Battle of Endor. As leader of my Dark Side Adepts, Military Executor Sedriss has been most loyal, and is commended for reviving me here on Byss. But for all his usefulness, Sedriss is only a moderate Force-sensitive, a capable errand boy but hardly the stuff of a Sith apprentice. No, it is only appropriate that my next apprentice must be someone with more unique qualities.
It must be Luke Skywalker or his kin.
Originally posted by SunRazerIt says he succeeded in taming the dark side "where all others had failed" but it's helixed as from Palpatine's own point of view. Naturally, we have no reason to believe he's even aware of the Son, or Abeloth's existence.
Except the one about taming the dark side (I can't remember if it is), but the Son is literally the personification of the dark side, so he's exempt from the quote as well.
Right, so we've tied up that loose end. Is there really anything else? Just RotS Palpatine > Abeloth, but we can dismiss that on account of reason.
Abeloth being more powerful than human comprehension and possibly more powerful than the Son are good starting points to disprove the idea of RotS Palpatine > Abeloth.
You're still thinking on a mortal scale, like Vader or Palpatine. Think bigger, like a storm or a tide. Like a living Force volcano.
-Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse
I found it on DMB's RT. Seems to be a character opinion, but it's at least something. She also has a ton more accolades putting her above DE Palpatine, although this is the only one that states it directly.
Originally posted by SunRazerWell Abeloth has been depicted as humbling both the Son and Daughter simultaneously, and logically speaking anyone who drank from the Font of Power as the Son did, should move beyond the realm of the Sith Lords, let alone the Font of Knowledge as well.
Right, so we've tied up that loose end. Is there really anything else? Just RotS Palpatine > Abeloth, but we can dismiss that on account of reason.Abeloth being more powerful than human comprehension and possibly more powerful than the Son are good starting points to disprove the idea of RotS Palpatine > Abeloth.
Indeed. I thought I was nearly alone on that, though, because when I came over here people kept citing the Son & Daughter and the Killiks re-imprisoning her over the course of the galaxy's history.
I mean, granted, the reliability of the source that shows Abeloth humbling both the Son and Daughter is definitely questionable. But she both drank from the Font of Power and bathed into the Pool of Knowledge. Look at how powerful Taalon became from falling into the Pool, and Abeloth drank from the Font as well.
As far as I'm concerned, that amounts to logical grounds capable of dismissing Palpatine's accolade.