Azog is en entire foot taller than the mountain. Although he did puss out when he got his arm lobbed off. Gregor was poisoned and impaled and still managed to kill the viper. That point about the ice bath is a good one tho. Although i blame that on the fuster cluck that was the hobbit movies. But it is [retty difinitive that Azog is alot tougher.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I understand his point very well! But i think HE is not understanding my point.What is the point of being so strong and formidable if they can't even get close to Azog!? Their arms are too short to even SCRATCH AZOG!
Azog's size gives him a HUGE advantage over the dwarves, although this are so formidable!
Put Clegane in his place, and he might do the job better! Clegane is stronger and more durable than Azog.
You very clearly aren't. The point is that, despite their lack of physical stature, opponents still normally fail to take advantage of this. Because Dwarves have adjusted in order to effectively take on larger opponents, as seen when they do in fact do so across the films. Yet it did not work against Azog. And as, Darkstorm Zero pointed out, size is only one factor in a fight.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ehhhhh no. They are short, but not that short. Thorin proves that Dwarves can fight larger opponents quite effectively. They aren't Tyrion levels of short.But they did, proving that they are formidable fighters themselves.
Like I said, size is but one type of advantage. There are other types, such as smaller profile, swiftness, stoutness, stamina, expertise, all those things. Being large on it's own is not much of an advantage, especially if your foe is experienced in taking down foes larger than themselves, which, as you can imagine for Dwarves, is damn near every other race on Middle Earth 😛
Another maybe? And you are assuming Gregor is stringer or more durable. Given what Azog did during the fight with thorin, I'm actually more willing to give the strength edge to Azog. Gregor's best feat was crushing a skull. Azog's best strength frat, and durability feat mind you, was surviving an ice bath, then busting out from underneath the ice with no leverage relatively unscathed. I ask you, do you know how insane that kind of feat really is? It's far more difficult than crushing a skull...
This, basically.
Originally posted by omgchosHis arm was caught off which is far worse than what happened to Gregor who had to play possum like a *****. Sneaky little ****** but he isn't rougher, stronger, or more skilled than Azog. At least your limited intellect reached the right conclusion that Azog wins.
Azog is en entire foot taller than the mountain. Although he did puss out when he got his arm lobbed off. Gregor was poisoned and impaled and still managed to kill the viper. That point about the ice bath is a good one tho. Although i blame that on the fuster cluck that was the hobbit movies. But it is [retty difinitive that Azog is alot tougher.
Originally posted by KingD19
Azog was chucking around that block of stone attached to the chain like a flail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olVsFS8Ajtk
Mind yourself to look at the video.
The fact is that Azog RAPED THOSE DWARVES!
I don't care how strong they are or how mighty, they didn't had a chance! Azog long arms and mace prevented them from even getting close to him!!
Even Thorin couldn't get close! It was only to the end, when he managed to use the Oak to close distance and cut Azog's arm!
Please don't come and try to tell me those dwarves are mighty opponents for Azog! They didn't had a chance!
Originally posted by omgchos
Azog is en entire foot taller than the mountain. Although he did puss out when he got his arm lobbed off. Gregor was poisoned and impaled and still managed to kill the viper. That point about the ice bath is a good one tho. Although i blame that on the fuster cluck that was the hobbit movies. But it is [retty difinitive that Azog is alot tougher.
No. Azog is one inch smaller than the Mountain.
Azog is 7 feet tall in the movie.
The Mountain is 7 1" feet tall.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You very clearly aren't. The point is that, despite their lack of physical stature, opponents still normally fail to take advantage of this. Because Dwarves have adjusted in order to effectively take on larger opponents, as seen when they do in fact do so across the films. Yet it did not work against Azog. And as, Darkstorm Zero pointed out, size is only one factor in a fight.This, basically.
Read what i replied to Darkstorm Zero.
It doesn't matter how much you say that the Dwarves are great fighters...Which i don't deny...But they got NO CHANCE AGAINST AZOG.
0 CHANCE. They were too small to even get close to him. PERIOD!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Azog is clearly much stronger than Gregor.
Does that mean that Gregor can't lift a stone!? Please.
Gregor decapitated a Horse with one swing of his sword!!!
He smashed the head of Oberyn like if it was an egg.
Decapitated a man's head with his hands like if he was pulling onions!
Azog has show no feats! No feats that even compare to that.
Based on screen, Gregor is stronger.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His arm was caught off which is far worse than what happened to Gregor who had to play possum like a *****. Sneaky little ****** but he isn't rougher, stronger, or more skilled than Azog. At least your limited intellect reached the right conclusion that Azog wins.
Azog loses. Doesn't have what it takes to kill the Mountain.
He doesn't have one Arm. He is clumsy with that big rock of his!
What makes you even think Azog can go against Ser Gregor Clegane!? (Zombi mountain).
Evidence supports Gregor. Period.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI didn't say he can't lift a stone I said when he swings his weapon guys don't go flying backwards. A horse just standing there not able to defend itself isn't impressive in the slightest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olVsFS8AjtkMind yourself to look at the video.
The fact is that Azog RAPED THOSE DWARVES!
I don't care how strong they are or how mighty, they didn't had a chance! Azog long arms and mace prevented them from even getting close to him!!
Even Thorin couldn't get close! It was only to the end, when he managed to use the Oak to close distance and cut Azog's arm!
Please don't come and try to tell me those dwarves are mighty opponents for Azog! They didn't had a chance!
No. Azog is one inch smaller than the Mountain.
Azog is 7 feet tall in the movie.
The Mountain is 7 1" feet tall.
Read what i replied to Darkstorm Zero.
It doesn't matter how much you say that the Dwarves are great fighters...Which i don't deny...But they got NO CHANCE AGAINST AZOG.
0 CHANCE. They were too small to even get close to him. PERIOD!
Does that mean that Gregor can't lift a stone!? Please.
Gregor decapitated a Horse with one swing of his sword!!!
He smashed the head of Oberyn like if it was an egg.
Decapitated a man's head with his hands like if he was pulling onions!
Azog has show no feats! No feats that even compare to that.
Based on screen, Gregor is stronger.
Azog loses. Doesn't have what it takes to kill the Mountain.
He doesn't have one Arm. He is clumsy with that big rock of his!
What makes you even think Azog can go against Ser Gregor Clegane!? (Zombi mountain).
Evidence supports Gregor. Period.
He crushed a tiny man's head who posed no threat to him physically. Oberyn needed distance and his skill to best him.
Azog being perfectly still burst through a frozen lake with armor on like nothing. He tossed multiple dwarves back with his superior strength. He used that chain and block very effectively which required super strength in order to do so.
He only needs one arm. He was still amazing with one arm.
His feats. Nothing Gregor has done proves he can even beat a GoT character let alone a superhuman one known as Azog. He didn't beat Samdor and only killed a much smaller man after playing possum because in combat he was thoroughly decimated.
Azog would kill Gregor. Badly. Gregor has no legit wins over anyone impressive due to skill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say he can't lift a stone I said when he swings his weapon guys don't go flying backwards. A horse just standing there not able to defend itself isn't impressive in the slightest.He crushed a tiny man's head who posed no threat to him physically. Oberyn needed distance and his skill to best him.
Azog being perfectly still burst through a frozen lake with armor on like nothing. He tossed multiple dwarves back with his superior strength. He used that chain and block very effectively which required super strength in order to do so.
He only needs one arm. He was still amazing with one arm.
His feats. Nothing Gregor has done proves he can even beat a GoT character let alone a superhuman one known as Azog. He didn't beat Samdor and only killed a much smaller man after playing possum because in combat he was thoroughly decimated.
Azog would kill Gregor. Badly. Gregor has no legit wins over anyone impressive due to skill.
Cause they were able to dodge it. Azog is clumsy when using that rock.
Doesn't matter. You realize that to fully decapitate a man requires strenght right? No normal person can do it. Now imagine decapitating an Animal that has a 4x or 5x thicker neck.
I don't see why Clegane couldn't do the samething. It's just a block tied to a chain.
It's the only feats Azog has shown of strenght. Do you realize the amount of strenght required to smash a skull with your hands? Or to remove a guy's head from his shoulders with your arms!?
Again, I believe Clegane is stronger.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThorin was able to wars him off but he get caught as well. Strength and a weapon. I am not saying Gregor isn't strong I'm saying he isn't combat super strong. Cutting a horses head off didn't help him show any superiority against Sandor.
Cause they were able to dodge it. Azog is clumsy when using that rock.Doesn't matter. You realize that to fully decapitate a man requires strenght right? No normal person can do it. Now imagine decapitating an Animal that has a 4x or 5x thicker neck.
I don't see why Clegane couldn't do the samething. It's just a block tied to a chain.
It's the only feats Azog has shown of strenght. Do you realize the amount of strenght required to smash a skull with your hands? Or to remove a guy's head from his shoulders with your arms!?
Again, I believe Clegane is stronger.
Clegane hasn't that's why I don't see him being able to do so. He looks very slow with his sword let alone something that greatly outweighs it.
A small skull is super strength but it isn't combat related to which they are armed here. Azog is far bigger as well than Oberyn. Azog knocks guys back many feet who are fully armored just by the force of the strength with his mace.
I disagree but Gregor isn't combat relates strong he's I'm wrestling around with a much smaller guy strong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thorin was able to wars him off but he get caught as well. Strength and a weapon. I am not saying Gregor isn't strong I'm saying he isn't combat super strong. Cutting a horses head off didn't help him show any superiority against Sandor.Clegane hasn't that's why I don't see him being able to do so. He looks very slow with his sword let alone something that greatly outweighs it.
A small skull is super strength but it isn't combat related to which they are armed here. Azog is far bigger as well than Oberyn. Azog knocks guys back many feet who are fully armored just by the force of the strength with his mace.
I disagree but Gregor isn't combat relates strong he's I'm wrestling around with a much smaller guy strong.
Thorin was still beaten hardly by Azog! He just got a lucky shot at cutting his hand, and he took it. Doesn't mean that it was a fair fight.
Gregor is stronger than Sandor, that is for sure. And obviously Sandor is faster and better with the sword. Azog on the other hand, isn't as skilled of a swordman as Sandor nor as fast.
Azog is also far slower than Oberyn. And breaking a skull is something. Imagine if he has that kind of strenght in his fingers now imagine how strong his arms are! Try to break a skull yourself and tell me if that doens't require super strenght.
Zombi Clegane is too much for Azog.
I admit Azog could kill the normal Clegane, but Zombi Clegane can take much more than Normal Clegane.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWhat wasn't a fair fight ? Their first fight at Moria ?
Thorin was still beaten hardly by Azog! He just got a lucky shot at cutting his hand, and he took it. Doesn't mean that it was a fair fight.Gregor is stronger than Sandor, that is for sure. And obviously Sandor is faster and better with the sword. Azog on the other hand, isn't as skilled of a swordman as Sandor nor as fast.
Azog is also far slower than Oberyn. And breaking a skull is something. Imagine if he has that kind of strenght in his fingers now imagine how strong his arms are! Try to break a skull yourself and tell me if that doens't require super strenght.
Zombi Clegane is too much for Azog.
I admit Azog could kill the normal Clegane, but Zombi Clegane can take much more than Normal Clegane.
He is stronger but combat wise he showed no advantage sword to sword. Azog is more skilled with a mace than Sandor is with a mace. Sandor was decisively beaten by Brienne and what's worse he was beaten hand to hand by a big woman.
He's slower but super strength kills Oberyn pretty quickly. It is impressive but combat wise this strength can't even overwhelmed his brother who doesn't have the strength feats of Azog.
Zombie Clegane hasn't shown any improvements thus far. What are you basing this off of ?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Azog is one inch smaller than the Mountain.Azog is 7 feet tall in the movie.
The Mountain is 7 1" feet tall.
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Also the official lotr wiki has him listed at 8'5". Idk where you got that image, but at this point it looks like his height is contentious at best.
Edit: if you wanna split more hairs the actor who plays azog is 5'11".
Originally posted by omgchos
Actually the original actor to play gregor was 7'1", the second was 6'9". Thats just splitting hairs tho.Also the official lotr wiki has him listed at 8'5". Idk where you got that image, but at this point it looks like his height is contentious at best.
Edit: if you wanna split more hairs the actor who plays azog is 5'11".
No.
The wikis say 8.5. Maybe based on the books.
The Movie says it is 7. We got to stick to the movie.
Official GoT say Gregor is 7.1.
Gregor is taller.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No.The wikis say 8.5. Maybe based on the books.
The Movie says it is 7. We got to stick to the movie.
Official GoT say Gregor is 7.1.
Gregor is taller.
When does the movie say it? Is this a size comparison from the movie itself? Liek stick thorin next azog and measure? If so how tall is thorin? Was that measured next to bilbo? How tall is bilbo? Some infographic doesnt necessarily prove anything. In teh books no one is ever refered too as being a specific height. Azog is only mentioned passingly in the books as the dad of Bolg. And the bodyguard of Bolg is supposed to be pretty big(again no specific height given. WHere is the picture from?
Originally posted by omgchos
When does the movie say it? Is this a size comparison from the movie itself? Liek stick thorin next azog and measure? If so how tall is thorin? Was that measured next to bilbo? How tall is bilbo? Some infographic doesnt necessarily prove anything. In teh books no one is ever refered too as being a specific height. Azog is only mentioned passingly in the books as the dad of Bolg. And the bodyguard of Bolg is supposed to be pretty big(again no specific height given. WHere is the picture from?
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0240774/bio
He is 7 feet tall according to the movie. You can search through any site. They will tell you 7feet.
Idk where the wiki took 8.5 from. Maybe the Books.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0240774/bioHe is 7 feet tall according to the movie. You can search through any site. They will tell you 7feet.
Idk where the wiki took 8.5 from. Maybe the Books.
Originally posted by omgchos
No its not from the books, like i said. That wiki has the picture from the movie so therefore, there is no difinitive height unless we can find something in the actual movie that confirms or denies his height.
Lol i gave you IMDb official Description of Azog!
You realize IMDb is one of the most veridict Movie sites right!?
Azog is 7 feet. Thats what all sites say. The wiki based it on the books, a picture doesnt mean it was taken from the movie.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol i gave you IMDb official Description of Azog!You realize IMDb is one of the most veridict Movie sites right!?
Azog is 7 feet. Thats what all sites say. The wiki based it on the books, a picture doesnt mean it was taken from the movie.
My point here is that theyre gathering info from somewhere. Its not from the books i can tell you that. IMDB is the same thing as any other source like a wiki. Sure some of it may have come from film makers or womeone however loosly related to the movie. Or it could have come from someone who found that picture you showed me. Im just sayin its a bit ambiguous.
Originally posted by omgchos
My point here is that theyre gathering info from somewhere. Its not from the books i can tell you that. IMDB is the same thing as any other source like a wiki. Sure some of it may have come from film makers or womeone however loosly related to the movie. Or it could have come from someone who found that picture you showed me. Im just sayin its a bit ambiguous.
Well all am saying is that all pages give Azog 7 feet tall.
The wiki is the only page that puts him at 8.5. I don't know where they got that info from.
http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/post/70295127644/how-tall-is-azog
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