Heat Vision Vs Kamehameha

Originally posted by carver9
You are asking for fts. We do not share fts for characters. Example, even though Odin is strong, we wouldn't post scans of Gladiator punching a planet to dust to support Odin being capable of doing it. If you are arguing fts, be consistent. Roshi fts doesn't belong to Cell, so why do you think Cell could destroy an island when he doesn't have the fts? It's not like he won a blast clash against Roshi. Remember, Roshi fts doesn't belong to Cell.

I'm talking about established power levels though, how hard is this to understand?

Goku never destroyed a planet, but I wouldn't say he couldn't do it.

I would indeed say that nah, Cell isn't one shotting a solar system anywhere but in a DBZ fanboys wet dream.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I don't have a problem with the power-scaling and people saying that feats from weaker characters can be replicated by stronger characters. Because in DBZ they all use most of the same powers: Chi or Qi (However it's spelled). What I do have a problem with is when DBZ tards start abusing it and saying nonsense like SSJ( insert number here) can destroy the universe because he's a million times stronger than Cell who can destroy a Solar System. I hate that kind of abuse.

Exactly, it's "Cell is a billion million times more powahful!' which, nah, he's not. Show the feats or stop talking about him nuking solar systems in one shot.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm saying that the established level of power at the time was nowhere near solar system destroying(in one shot) and thus Cells claim seems like hyperbole at best.

We have feats of other people destroying moons and planets. We don't have them one shotting star systems.

You're multiplying power levels based on numbers given, not actual feats.

Again, if you are claiming Cell need fts, you do not share other character showing to Cell. I'm asking you, what showings of Cell makes you believe he can destroy a planet?

I'm asking you a question. Power levels mean nothing to you which means Roshi blasting power doesn't hold credit for Cell showing. So again, what makes you think Cell can destroy a moon or a planet if he doesn't have the showings? My question is simple.

Originally posted by carver9
It's common sense tbh. If someone is far more powerful, they would generate more power in their blasts. It's like saying Superman heat vision is equal to Prime heat vision when we know the level of power Prime is at means that he would generate far more power.

Wait a minute, strength and blasting power are two different things. Roshi destroyed the moon, so show me Roshi blast being overpowered by Nappa blast.

So you are limiting DBZ blasts at planetary level. Something that a weak Vegeta was able to do? So no one on the show is above planetary?

Carver, you can speculate an upper limit being higher. But, you DBZ guys tend to abuse this to feat skew. Yes, you can postulate that Goku is above planetary level, but when you start making up numbers or using power levels and saying nonsense like 1 million times stronger, multi-universal and all that wank. Then you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm talking about established power levels though, how hard is this to understand?

Goku never destroyed a planet, but I wouldn't say he couldn't do it.

I would indeed say that nah, Cell isn't one shotting a solar system anywhere but in a DBZ fanboys wet dream.

What established power level though? The only person we seen destroy a planet was Frieza (and Buu). Is that the starting point for planet busting?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Carver, you can speculate an upper limit being higher. But, you DBZ guys tend to abuse this to feat skew. Yes, you can postulate that Goku is above planetary level, but when you start making up numbers or using power levels and saying nonsense like 1 million times stronger, multi-universal and all that wank. Then you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Who said anything about multi verse levels? I'm debating on panel statements/showings. If we are arguing fts, Goku isn't a planet buster, let alone moon or island buster since he has never done it.

It's exactly as the other poster said Carver. Yeah, the nature of DBZ you do need some speculation, some transferring of feats. I am not denying that, I am not saying Goku can't destroy a planet because he never destroyed one.

But don't try to fly too close to the sun on those wings made of wax. There is a limit to this craziness. You need to be given leeway to use these characters, but DBZ fans often try to take advantage of that by assuming all kinds of crazy shit.

I once saw a guy saying SSJ3 Goku could take out galaxies with a twitch of his nose. That's the type of silly nonsense this leads to if you don't know when to reign yourself in with this nutty power level bullshit.

Originally posted by Surtur
Exactly, it's "Cell is a billion million times more powahful!' which, nah, he's not. Show the feats or stop talking about him nuking solar systems in one shot.

Let's not forget everything being reduced to how much crap you can blow up as the only legit way to measure power because that's how it's done in DBZ. So, even if a character like say Xavier can mind-rape you or Proteus can turn your blood into lead. none of it matters because DBZ characters can blow stuff up. Except of course nowadays it's starting to matter again because in DB Super cheap powers are becoming relevant. They orient everything according to the rules of their crappy show. "Goku can't be hurt b psi because his power level" or "Goku can't be frozen in time because his power level". But, when it happens in super it counts again. SMGDH.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's exactly as the other poster said Carver. Yeah, the nature of DBZ you do need some speculation, some transferring of feats. I am not denying that, I am not saying Goku can't destroy a planet because he never destroyed one.

But don't try to fly too close to the sun on those wings made of wax. There is a limit to this craziness.

It is a limit and no one is denying that but when you have the Z fighters pissing their pants, Gohan believing Cell, and Cell himself telling us he is about to destroy the solar system (during his initial attack) and you have power readers believing him, it can't get more concrete. Then you have it being referenced in a bio. It's like saying Superman heat vision isn't as hot as the sun.

Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about multi verse levels? I'm debating on panel statements/showings. If we are arguing fts, Goku isn't a planet buster, let alone moon or island buster since he has never done it.

I'm talking about power-scaling carver. You know, how DBZ guys use it as a carte blanche to make up whatever feats they think Goku can do because he's a bazillion time more powerful than a guy who blew some sh*t up?

Originally posted by carver9
It is a limit and no one is denying that but when you have the Z fighters pissing their pants, Gohan believing Cell, and Cell himself telling us he is about to destroy the solar system (during his initial attack) and you have power readers believing him, it can't get more concrete. Then you have it being referenced in a bio. It's like saying Superman heat vision isn't as hot as the sun.

What did you expect them to do? Go "well, your blast won't destroy the solar system, but it WILL end all life on this planet, so we're not as worried" ?

Imagine the scene:

Goku: guys, he's lying, this will only destroy like..Earth and maybe Mars, see ya! *Goku flies off*

Originally posted by Classic NES
Let's not forget everything being reduced to how much crap you can blow up as the only legit way to measure power because that's how it's done in DBZ. So, even if a character like say Xavier can mind-rape you or Proteus can turn your blood into lead. none of it matters because DBZ characters can blow stuff up. Except of course nowadays it's starting to matter again because in DB Super cheap powers are becoming relevant. They orient everything according to the rules of their crappy show. "Goku can't be hurt b psi because his power level" or "Goku can't be frozen in time because his power level". But, when it happens in super it counts again. SMGDH.

Guess what. Krillin stomps both Professor and Proteus in the blink of an eye.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's exactly as the other poster said Carver. Yeah, the nature of DBZ you do need some speculation, some transferring of feats. I am not denying that, I am not saying Goku can't destroy a planet because he never destroyed one.

But don't try to fly too close to the sun on those wings made of wax. There is a limit to this craziness. You need to be given leeway to use these characters, but DBZ fans often try to take advantage of that by assuming all kinds of crazy shit.

I once saw a guy saying SSJ3 Goku could take out galaxies with a twitch of his nose. That's the type of silly nonsense this leads to if you don't know when to reign yourself in with this nutty power level bullshit.

YouTube video

I'm having flashbacks to a "SSJ4 Goku vs Living Tribunal" on CBR. Ahhhh!

Originally posted by carver9
Guess what. Krillin stomps both Professor and Proteus in the blink of an eye.

Krillin got shot in Super as a Cop and hid behind a car from bullets. "Blink of an eye" lmfao.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Krillin got shot in Super as a Cop and hid behind a car from bullets. "Blink of an eye" lmfao.

Or the power level of the farmer at 5. Seem low? Yeah, except looking at what Roshi can do to the moon with his power level and using some math..the farmer should have been capable of firing off nuke level blasts of energy, at the very least.

Originally posted by Surtur
Or the power level of the farmer at 5. Seem low? Yeah, except looking at what Roshi can do to the moon with his power level and using some math..the farmer should have been capable of firing off nuke level blasts of energy, at the very least.

This never gets old

YouTube video

We need to create a new system of numbers to figure out Darkwing Ducks power levels.

Originally posted by Surtur
We need to create a new system of numbers to figure out Darkwing Ducks power levels.

Jason Bourne can kill DBZ

YouTube video

These are "God Tier" characters btw.

Several times stronger than a bullet. Not billions or millions, but several times. Hmm, well, I guess we gotta stick to what was said. Since to me "several" means like..maybe 3-5 times stronger than a bullet. It's good to know that is all it takes.

So you are wrong Jason Bourne can't do it, but a dude with a gun with bullets 5 times stronger than normal bullets..can. Where we could find such a cosmically powerful character? I do not know.