Originally posted by SunRazer
Interesting. What justifies such a placement in sabers, do you think?
Just saw this.
Speculation, really, since KOTOR Revan doesn't have much to go on other than being better than Darth Revan [whose saber feats would easily be replicated by Kenobi].
Considering KOTOR Revan is entirely light sided, his offensive prowess wasn't very significant at that time. He probably only used generic Jedi attacks like TK in combat, and I seriously doubt he'd be using that a lot against SF amped Malak, whose TK was likely more than a match for Revan's. So, it is logical to conclude that this was mostly a duel. Him being able to defeat a SF amped Malak who replenished his energies with at least 10 captive Jedi is enough, imho, to put him in ROTS Kenobi's ballpark, albeit slightly lower due to a lack of solid evidence for purely saber feats.
A lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean Revan should rank lower. Remember that he's also more powerful than Obi-Wan, which carries its own benefits in saber combat.
But I see this is largely arbitrary. Not saying it's wrong, I'm just trying to find the most concrete argument possible for DR and it seems to be a difficult task.
Originally posted by SunRazer
A lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean Revan should rank lower. Remember that he's also more powerful than Obi-Wan, which carries its own benefits in saber combat.
I agree, but ROTS Kenobi ranks so high it's hard to put Darth Revan -- who's not near his prime -- at his level at that point.
But I see this is largely arbitrary. Not saying it's wrong, I'm just trying to find the most concrete argument possible for DR and it seems to be a difficult task.
It is arbitrary. My logic is based on SW basics, but in truth, we have no way of knowing how good he really was since we have no one to compare him to other than Echani or Mandalorians. And it also depends on by how much you think KOTOR Revan > Darth Revan in sabers.
The Revan novel really just... chaps my hide.
It takes a big steaming crap on a lot of KOTOR 2 canonical principles.
From just what I can make of it (without that cancer of a novel interfering), Meetra seems > Revan Redeemed up till he leaves for the Outter Rim.
I think Drew just wanted to come back and protect his beloved character and so wrote Meetra as Revan's B*tch.
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What do you guys make of this:
I am tempted to try and capture you alive, Revan. Then I could break your will and bind you to me as my apprentice, as I did Bastila. You would be a far greater asset to me than even Bastila and her Battle Meditation, if I could control you. But is it worth the risk? Perhaps you are too powerful to be my apprentice. I betrayed you when I realized my own strength was greater than yours; in time you might try to do the same to me.
-KOTOR 1, Malak to Revan
Malak Prime > Darth Revan Prime?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well like, KOTOR 2's "canonical principles" were like bad fan fiction, and Chris Avellone came out and said he never intended for the Exile to be on Revan's level either, sooo... *cough*
Got a quote for that? All I have from KOTOR 2 are accolades that place Meetra above Revan.
Ahem. On topic: No, Malak's just deluding himself.
Ah.
Originally posted by Miko Hacksaw
Got a quote for that? All I have from KOTOR 2 are accolades that place Meetra above Revan.
"If the Exile could defeat Kreia, Revan would have an easier time of it. United with the Exile, Kreia and the Exile vs. Revan? My money’s still on Revan, since in my mind, Revan was a master strategist as well as an extremely powerful Force wielder."
Originally posted by NewGuy01
There's another one where Chris talks about how he never intended for the Exile to be "super powerful like Revan," instead going for a character with unique traits.
He says the Exile wasn't meant to be "all-powerful". The game makes it clear that the Exile is extremely powerful regardless.