Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This power progression has been laid out in my RT too, btw. 👆For what it's worth, the d20 sourcebook substantially increases Darth Revan's stats between when he went into the Unknown Regions and when he was finally betrayed by Malak.
That's game mechanics. And they're not needed, at any rate.
Indeed, I'm not finding it likely that Malak could've surpassed Darth Revan. At most, he'd be where Darth Traya is. His claim that he betrayed Revan only upon realizing that he was stronger is unfounded. Every source we know of, from the reliable to the downright unreliable like Chronicles of the Old Republic or The Old Republic: Revan establish that Revan was superior to Malak, and by some distance. That was certainly the case when the two were Jedi; as Sith Lords, is there compelling evidence to suggest that Malak would've grown far moreso than Revan to bridge the gap? I'm not seeing it.
Umm... what? I'm pretty sure Malak could've sensed the power of Revan at those two points in time and compared them, unless he's so deluded that he can't even do that. Which might be fair since he thought he surpassed Revan, only it makes no sense for him to not be biased about KotOR Revan as well — he's a Jedi for Christ's sake.
And your second example makes no sense. When Revan regained his mask, he was more powerful than both his Darth and KotOR iterations.
Revan during his time as a Sith Lord imo would be like Darth Bane at least power level, probably approaching Dooku and maybe Vader. Here's why:
Physically Revan was a strong fighter, he had fought in hundreds of battles against likely thousands of force sensitives. His endurance and stamina would be very attuned. He definitely is not a weakling.
In terms of lightsaber skills, he is a confirmed specialist in Niman. His use of Niman was more alike to Exar Kun's Niman than standard Niman. By that I mean, he used his mastery of the other lightsaber forms (he was an implied master of all forms, at least textbook master) in conjunction with Niman to create a personalised style that would meet all demands on the battlefield. Unlike Kun who used Niman very aggressively on a constant basis, Revan would check his approach based on the situation, even using other forms when appropriate. I mean as a Sith Lord Malak challenged Revan, and Revan not only defeated his apprentice but cut off his jaw. Malak being a master of lightsaber combat and confirmed to be a better pure duelist than Revan. Therefore, I'd say Revan could at least take on Bane level or higher, probably Vader level would give him a challenge though.
In terms of applications of the force., obviously he was able to use a variety of applications, complimenting his use of Niman. I seriously doubt anyone Bane and below could really threaten him.
Therefore Revan is quite underrated as a duelist and force user even as a Sith Lord.
Originally posted by AncientPowerI'd argue that Revan flooring and almost nullifying Vitiate's lightning is his best feat to date. Or his domination of the TOR protags in SoR.
Malak thinks Darth Revan is weak for not using the Star Forge, so he's utterly biased. On the other hand, when Revan regains his mask and the remainder of his Sith identity, he's one-shotting Nyriss, his best feat to date.
Originally posted by darthbane77
I'd argue that Revan flooring and almost nullifying Vitiate's lightning is his best feat to date. Or his domination of the TOR protags in SoR.
I'd say his trump card at this point is his ability to channel both sides of the force into a blast of pure force energy that Vitiate couldn't even defend against.
Revan at this point once he regains all his Sith memories and his mask could take Vader tier and up without question. Obviously God tier he couldn't contend with, like Grandmaster Luke, DE Sidious and Valkorion (obviously).