Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Omnium doors vs. Trade Federation doors...You'd need the entirety of Legends feats to compete, leo.
i didn't say they were equal, just not as far apart as some are making out. i could def see the saber cutting secondary adamantium, for instance, but it wouldn't cut through logan's claws. kinda irrelevant to the thread anyway. my point was it could def cut through hulk's hide. /shrug
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWyeah Mandalorian iron is resistant to lightsaberd but can be cut thru with time. I dont think id put cortosis in the same catagory tho. Its not so much its durability that makes it so difficult to cut thru, but more so its special properties that short out and deactivate lightsabers when they come into contact with it.
No, it struggled against Trade Federation's vault doors and numerous materials have resisted it in the EU, like mandalorian's iron or cortosis. Even Vader's suit was somewhat saber-resistant.Of course, it's much harder to find saber-[b]proof
materials...Anyway, Vader's saber should be capable of hurting Hulk, but not with great ease. [/B]
As for completly saber proof materials, iirc the zilo beast from TCW had scales that couldnt even be scratched by sabers, and another monster called the Sugati from the comics had a hide that sabers are useless against.
I dont recall vaders suit having any special resistance to lightsabers tho. Its been cut thru easily several time throughout the comics.
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Originally posted by Raptor22
yeah Mandalorian iron is resistant to lightsaberd but can be cut thru with time. I dont think id put cortosis in the same catagory tho. Its not so much its durability that makes it so difficult to cut thru, but more so its special properties that short out and deactivate lightsabers when they come into contact with it.As for completly saber proof materials, iirc the zilo beast from TCW had scales that couldnt even be scratched by sabers, and another monster called the Sugati from the comics had a hide that sabers are useless against.
I dont recall vaders suit having any special resistance to lightsabers tho. Its been cut thru easily several time throughout the comics.
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Construction droids were completely immune, at least in Legends (I believe it was The Crystal Star, and the lightsaber simply bounced off the droid.)
Originally posted by Galan007I believe shiim is simply attacking the hand of your opponent, while cutting the hand off at the wrist is called Cho mai.
What we saw in ESB is simply a mark of contact within lightsaber combat called "Shiim" -- it's similar to how Dooku disarmed/incapacitated Kenobi in AotC. It hardly means Vader's suit is saber-resistant, though... Luke chopping his hand off is proof enough of that.
Originally posted by cdtmI havent read that book in probably a good decade so its definitely possible, or they might have had some sort of shield generator or something.
Construction droids were completely immune, at least in Legends (I believe it was The Crystal Star, and the lightsaber simply bounced off the droid.)
Id check it out myself but The Crystal Star is one of the worst star wars novels ever written in my op and it would probably take a legit act of god to get me to flip thru that story again.
Originally posted by Raptor22Shiim is the act of maiming your opponent *somewhere* on their upper extremities, as Dooku did when he clipped Kenobi's shoulder in AotC:
I believe shiim is simply attacking the hand of your opponent
-Fightsaber
...Which is essentially the exact same thing Luke did to Vader in ESB.
Originally posted by Galan007im probably being a little nit pickey here but
Shiim is the act of maiming your opponent *somewhere* on their upper extremities, as Dooku did to Kenobi in AotC:-Fightsaber
...Which is essentially the exact same thing Luke did to Vader in ESB.
"Shim one of the two Fundamental Marks, is a blow delivered with the edeg if the blade. It usualy inflicts superficial wounds, but if you have any opening in battle you should be quick to seize it." -The Jedi Path
Which is as your scan correctly shows what dooku did to Kenobi. But i think what luke did to vader more closely fits with Cho mai's definition as opposed to shiim.
"Cho mai is more direct. It severs the weapon hand entirely, leaving your opponent alive but unable to continue the fight, and is thus a merciful conclusion to battle." - The Jedi Path
No, no.
I am talking about Luke clipping Vader during their duel in ESB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_FIvDghpo
(0:57)
Like I said: that is Shiim, as Luke merely maimed Vader's shoulder.
In RotJ, however, you are correct that Luke preformed Cho Mai when he severed Vader's weapon-hand entirely. But again: I wasn't referring to that instance. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007yep, bit of a misunderstanding on my part. Having cleared that up i agree completly.
No, no.I am talking about Luke clipping Vader during their duel in [b]ESB
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_FIvDghpo
(0:57)Like I said: that is Shiim, as Luke merely maimed Vader's shoulder.
In RotJ, however, you are correct that Luke preformed Cho Mai when he severed Vader's weapon-hand entirely. But again: I wasn't referring to that instance. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
What we saw in ESB is simply a mark of contact within lightsaber combat called "Shiim" -- it's similar to how Dooku disarmed/incapacitated Kenobi in AotC. It hardly means Vader's suit is saber-resistant, though... Luke chopping his hand off is proof enough of that.
The shoulder armor itself weighed 12.2 kg overall, was resistant to both blasters and energy blades, and was capable of withstanding hits from both weapon types with only minor surface pitting.
^ Yeeeah, there are loads of "energy blades" in the SW galaxy. Here are a few examples:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Velmorian_energy_sword
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/X-22_energy_blade
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vibroblade/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/X-12_energy_blade
Lightsabers, however, tend not to be so ambiguously labeled in Bios/Sourcebooks for that very reason.
Aside from that, Vader's official blueprint states his helmet and shoulder armor are made out of Durasteel:
...Which sabers can effortlessly cut/slag, like a hot knife through butter(literally.) In fact, the blast doors Qui-Gon was easily cutting through in TPM(I posted the gif earlier) were made from Durasteel -- the novelization confirms this.
So like I said: no portion of Vader's suit has a special resistance to lightsabers.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Pretty sure plasma is hotter than fire, or works differently or something
Hit with the power of the sun.
Abomb grabbed Hulk head and Dipped it in volcano trying to drown him and it went up his nose and everything. Did nothing to him. The only thing he was pissed off about was his hair was burned off.
