this is actually a really cool match up. my guess is most don't really know current betsy. i've only seen a few appearances of hers so i'm not sure exactly what her capabilities are. there are versions that could take him--the ones with uber tp and tk. standard betsy is almost a mirror of vader in many ways. be cool seeing her psy sword against the lightsaber.
without some of betsy current feats it's a tough call. very good match up though. 👆
This is an interesting fight with their power sets and weapons being kind of similar.
Psylocke seems to have different power variations and power levels every time I pick up an X-Men comic. Sometimes she's quite powerful, but last I saw her she was threatening Medusa with her sword and Medusa knocked her out with a hair fist... or something. Classic Psylocke would lose but later versions would definitely be in there.
But I'm still going to go with Vader for a majority. He's a badass in the SW comics (plus he's just a way cooler classic character who doesn't need "upgrading" every 12 months or so in an attempt to be relevant). Characters like Psylocke are a bit too variable for my liking in these fights.
as usual carv is carv. hulk simply has no defense for an airway choked off by tk. he can't punch or hit it. betsy, otoh, can match his tk. if she can't, she'd die too. some iterations of her would beat standard vader BECAUSE her tp/tk are superior, others would lose. her sword wouldn't be as effective against hulk as a physical saber would be though.
some match ups are just bad for one side. not very complicated.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute, Psylock is a good fight for Vader but Vader can beat one of the most powerful being on the planet? KMC!!!
Is this the first time you've ever read comics?
Metallo is a good fight for Superman, one of the highest of heralds.
I bet a mere high meta would thrash him.
Simple logic.
Gonna have to go with Psylocke. As far back as the 1990s she was taking on and defeating the likes of Sabretooth and Omega Red, despite the fact the latter could kill people practically at will. She just played tricks with Red's mind, making him THINK what he was doing was what he in fact was not; helpless to understand without explanation. That was over 20 years ago.
I can only imagine what she's doing now.
Source: X-Men #7
Writer: Jim Lee
Penciller: Art Thibert
Circa: 1992
Originally posted by leonidasYeah, later versions of Betsy seem directly inspired by Jedi - like when she blends her tp and tk into her fighting, and to amp her physical abilities. Her fights against Sabretooth and Berserker Logan are also probably fine reference for the arguments about Vader vs Logan.
this is actually a really cool match up. my guess is most don't really know current betsy. i've only seen a few appearances of hers so i'm not sure exactly what her capabilities are. there are versions that could take him--the ones with uber tp and tk. standard betsy is almost a mirror of vader in many ways. be cool seeing her psy sword against the lightsaber.without some of betsy current feats it's a tough call. very good match up though. 👆
I suspect Betsy has higher highs with telepathy, but I dunno how Vader's resistance stacks up. This fight might come down to a psi-blast.
Originally posted by leonidas
as usual carv is carv. hulk simply has no defense for an airway choked off by tk. he can't punch or hit it. betsy, otoh, can match his tk. if she can't, she'd die too. some iterations of her would beat standard vader BECAUSE her tp/tk are superior, others would lose. her sword wouldn't be as effective against hulk as a physical saber would be though.some match ups are just bad for one side. not very complicated.
And this is where comic knowledge come into play. Hulk faced Jean (who had the force in her) and she TK lifted him in the air and he broke out with pure strength. Fought Cable who's TK was nothing to him and he fought Xman who admitted he was nothing to the Hulk and who's TK failed against him. Vader isn't doing crap to him with the force.
Wrong thread for this...sorry smurph.
Composite Vader??
He's willed himself back from death, by sheer willpower used the force to restore himself after Cycli shut down his life support systems, etc. His willpower should be strong enough to withstand her TP, the only Telepath who ever dominated him was Sidious
Vader shreds her with TK, unless she has some advanced feat like dominating thousands of minds or something
I don't know much at all about Psy, but the fact that this battle is in Central Park could potentially help Vader tremendously -- gives him a TON of objects to throw her way. Keep in mind that even post-Legends Vader has some pretty impressive TK showings. Here is an example:
*It's hard to tell in that gif, but Vader was actually lifting two AT-ST Walkers there.
OR the objects in his vicinity could provide him with additional means to shield himself from attacks -- in a manner similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/gdz4Yzd.jpg
I have no clue who wins(as I said, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to Psy), but Vader could do well against most in this setting, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
I don't know much at all about Psy, but the fact that this battle is in Central Park could potentially help Vader tremendously -- gives him a TON of objects to throw her way. Keep in mind that even post-Legends Vader has some pretty impressive TK showings. Here is an example:*It's hard to tell in that gif, but Vader was actually lifting two AT-ST Walkers there.
OR the objects in his vicinity could provide him with additional means to shield himself from attacks -- in a manner similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/gdz4Yzd.jpgI have no clue who wins(as I said, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to Psy), but Vader could do well against most in this setting, imo.
Psylocke has specific feats of tk shields:
http://i.imgur.com/IGZGRVu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zUmtF8c.jpg
And then others of running on shrapnel:
https://p.dreamwidth.org/7b284564d51b/172314-3955409/oi49.tinypic.com/2q0v90p.jpg
http://imgur.com/1hizVuc
But the bigger question, IMO, is if Vader can resist this kind of psi-assault (Archangel was amped here):
that's the version that took out fantomex. when charlie and phoenix jean weren't able to do that.... i'd give that version the win. a later version was handling cassandra nova too, no?
i think her tk in most forms could prevent her being battered by vader, but his tp resistance is a question for me. i wonder too if she could use her own tk to take apart his armor, or much with the systems.... this is still a tough call.
Originally posted by SmurphDoubtful that a legitimate case can be made for him. Vader is quite limited in the TP department.
But the bigger question, IMO, is if Vader can resist this kind of psi-assault (Archangel was amped here):
It would seem this may potentially come down to Psy's TP vs. Vader's TK..?
yeah, most likely, though there are a couple versions of her that have pretty uber tk as well. in a book it would def come down to teh psy blade vs the saber though. that's what the fans would pay to see. me included. 👆 wonder who would be more skilled with a blade? prolly vader but it would be fun to see.
Originally posted by Galan007didn't Vader start casually throwing huge boulders at rebel ships in Vader Down? I think I also recall him stopping Han from stepping on him with an AT-AT.
I don't know much at all about Psy, but the fact that this battle is in Central Park could potentially help Vader tremendously -- gives him a TON of objects to throw her way. Keep in mind that even post-Legends Vader has some pretty impressive TK showings. Here is an example:*It's hard to tell in that gif, but Vader was actually lifting two AT-ST Walkers there.
OR the objects in his vicinity could provide him with additional means to shield himself from attacks -- in a manner similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/gdz4Yzd.jpgI have no clue who wins(as I said, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to Psy), but Vader could do well against most in this setting, imo.
I don't know enough about Vader, but from what I've seen he probably has more overt use of Force/TK than Betsy does, although she certainly has a lot of implied power: http://i.imgur.com/PqoIoLf.jpg
And obviously his lightsaber has more destructive power than her psychic knife or tk blades, but a solid strike from either of them should mean a KO: http://i.imgur.com/dZALQgC.jpg
Plus, since it's made out of TK, I imagine that her blades could block a saber? mmm
