Darth Vader vs. Psylocke

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Originally posted by leonidas
wonder who would be more skilled with a blade? prolly vader but it would be fun to see.
Even in that bulky mechanical suit, Vader was still one of the most skilled/elite swordsmen in galactic history. So Psy would have to be extremely skillful to best him with a blade.

Originally posted by deathslash
didn't Vader start casually throwing huge boulders at rebel ships in Vader Down? I think I also recall him stopping Han from stepping on him with an AT-AT.
Yes. He also froze a shuttle dead in its tracks to prevent it from engaging hyperdrive(albeit with great difficulty.)

Originally posted by Smurph
I don't know enough about Vader, but from what I've seen he probably has more overt use of Force/TK than Betsy does, although she certainly has a lot of implied power: http://i.imgur.com/PqoIoLf.jpg

And obviously his lightsaber has more destructive power than her psychic knife or tk blades, but a solid strike from either of them should mean a KO: http://i.imgur.com/dZALQgC.jpg

Plus, since it's made out of TK, I imagine that her blades could block a saber? mmm

Vader can also manifest force-shielding of his own:
http://i.imgur.com/0h2XIlx.jpg

...Which *might* make using those blades of hers much more difficult. /shrug

Originally posted by basilisk
But I'm still going to go with Vader for a majority. He's a badass in the SW comics (plus he's just a way cooler classic character who doesn't need "upgrading" every 12 months or so in an attempt to be relevant). Characters like Psylocke are a bit too variable for my liking in these fights.

Ironically, Psylocke's upgrade happened in the best X-series of the last decade, and one of the best ever.

As for the fight, I know very little about Vader. Psylocke has a variable history, but she's been moderately stable for the last 8-10 years. Basically, strong telepathy with weaker telekinesis. The main reason for the confusion is because Remender wrote out her TK completely, before other writers hesitantly brought it back. Remender's spectacular run was well worth the inconsistency though.

Anyways, I have no idea what the upper limit on Vader's TK is, or what his physical stats are. Can't really comment on the fight. What are his feats in those regards?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ironically, Psylocke's upgrade happened in the best X-series of the last decade, and one of the best ever.

As for the fight, I know very little about Vader. Psylocke has a variable history, but she's been moderately stable for the last 8-10 years. Basically, strong telepathy with weaker telekinesis. The main reason for the confusion is because Remender wrote out her TK completely, before other writers hesitantly brought it back. Remender's spectacular run was well worth the inconsistency though.

Anyways, I have no idea what the upper limit on Vader's TK is, or what his physical stats are. Can't really comment on the fight. What are his feats in those regards?

Vader has been trained by Obi-Wan Kenobi (the absolute best user of Soresu, bar none), was trained by master Yoda and Darth Sidious (two of the most knowledgeable force users ever), has casually vaporized people through their armor by using the force, has taken out an entire squadron of rebel pilots by casually throwing boulders at their ships, is capable of using the force to crush hearts or brains, has force choked a person from a galaxy away, can launch waves of lightning (think of force lightning and then combine that with force push), has killed countless wookie warriors and then killed a Jedi master that could pull TIE fighters out of the sky and was hurling them at Vader, straight up owned Star killer (his personal assassin who was powerful enough to alter the trajectory of a Star Destroyer class ship), and he's a genius general from the Clone Wars who has personally killed about 1/3 (maybe 2/3) of the Jedi Order.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ironically, Psylocke's upgrade happened in the best X-series of the last decade, and one of the best ever.

As for the fight, I know very little about Vader. Psylocke has a variable history, but she's been moderately stable for the last 8-10 years. Basically, strong telepathy with weaker telekinesis. The main reason for the confusion is because Remender wrote out her TK completely, before other writers hesitantly brought it back. Remender's spectacular run was well worth the inconsistency though.

Anyways, I have no idea what the upper limit on Vader's TK is, or what his physical stats are. Can't really comment on the fight. What are his feats in those regards?

if you're talking about uncanny x-force then yeah, it was an AWESOME series. one of my favourites in the last bunch of years for sure. it seemed for a while there her powers just kept increasing. there was even mention somewhere i think of making her an omega level tp. she's got some good showings with tk--especially her katana but i couldn't recall a time where she was really strong in tk AND tp. if we go by THIS betsy:

http://i.imgur.com/DQzGZIT.jpg

(that was the fight i was trying to remember earlier but i can't remember which book it was from to get more context!)

i think she wins the fight via tp. it would be awesome to see her blade battle vader though. his tk is likely stronger but shown above that blade can be deadly even to someone as powerful as cassie.

This ranges from a competitive fight with Psylocke having the edge to her sweeping Vader away.

Originally posted by Smurph
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Psylocke has specific feats of tk shields:
http://i.imgur.com/IGZGRVu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zUmtF8c.jpg

And then others of running on shrapnel:
https://p.dreamwidth.org/7b284564d51b/172314-3955409/oi49.tinypic.com/2q0v90p.jpg
http://imgur.com/1hizVuc

But the bigger question, IMO, is if Vader can resist this kind of psi-assault (Archangel was amped here):

http://imgur.com/CHdnrEH
http://imgur.com/z3B7kSq

wtf is up with pyslockes legs in the last panel of the second scan? It looks like she's been injecting steroids directly into he calf, but for some reason none of it made it to her ankels.

I hope you guys are referring to Remenders uncanny x-force....and not the thing that followed...

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This ranges from a competitive fight with Psylocke having the edge to her sweeping Vader away.
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I think it all comes down to The Force vs Psyonics is The Force the same thing or is it different and if its different how does it match up versus her Psyonics. If she can block him but he cant block her then she could shatter his insides with a thought and the same goes the other way.

I would go with Vader though but I don't follow Psylocke a whole lot. but Vader's fighting style, he puts the force behind each blow. its not just some 6'6 250lbs man swinging a stick at you, there is tons of force behind each blow. that Gif of him lifting the AT-ST walker, that power is put behind each blow while trying to shatter every bone in her body constantly the whole fight.

Originally posted by deathslash
Vader has been trained by Obi-Wan Kenobi (the absolute best user of Soresu, bar none), was trained by master Yoda and Darth Sidious (two of the most knowledgeable force users ever), has casually vaporized people through their armor by using the force, has taken out an entire squadron of rebel pilots by casually throwing boulders at their ships, is capable of using the force to crush hearts or brains, has force choked a person from a galaxy away, can launch waves of lightning (think of force lightning and then combine that with force push), has killed countless wookie warriors and then killed a Jedi master that could pull TIE fighters out of the sky and was hurling them at Vader, straight up owned Star killer (his personal assassin who was powerful enough to alter the trajectory of a Star Destroyer class ship), and he's a genius general from the Clone Wars who has personally killed about 1/3 (maybe 2/3) of the Jedi Order.

Most of those raise more questions than they answer, as someone unfamiliar with the series. I wouldn't know how strong this armor is that he vaporized people through, for example.
Originally posted by leonidas
if you're talking about uncanny x-force then yeah, it was an AWESOME series. one of my favourites in the last bunch of years for sure. it seemed for a while there her powers just kept increasing. there was even mention somewhere i think of making her an omega level tp. she's got some good showings with tk--especially her katana but i couldn't recall a time where she was really strong in tk AND tp. if we go by THIS betsy:

http://i.imgur.com/DQzGZIT.jpg

(that was the fight i was trying to remember earlier but i can't remember which book it was from to get more context!)

i think she wins the fight via tp. it would be awesome to see her blade battle vader though. his tk is likely stronger but shown above that blade can be deadly even to someone as powerful as cassie.


Yes, that is the one I'm talking about. Remender brought her up to Omega level tp when AoA Jean unlocked Betsy's full potential.

The scan is from Uncanny X-Force 15, the crappy one from Sam Humpries though. Lots of Psylocke screen time, but the stories sucked. Psylocke's psi-knife enables her to punch outside her of weight class, as it hurts people like Shadow King and Cassandra Nova, who are above her. It's psychic adamantium basically.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I hope you guys are referring to Remenders uncanny x-force....and not the thing that followed...

Indeed. No X-title since has measured up to it. The Kyle/Yost X-Force that lead up to Remender's run was pretty good too though.

@style: It was a normal stormtrooper but my mentioning the feat was more to show that Vader has more than just tk going for him.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Most of those raise more questions than they answer, as someone unfamiliar with the series. I wouldn't know how strong this armor is that he is vaporizing people through, for example.
deathslash mentioned a good deal of Legends feats in his post. However, Smurph's OP specifies post-Legends, thus the bulk of those feats aren't usable here(if you're unfamiliar, pre/post-Legends denotes a change in SW continuity.)

Anyway, in Legends continuity Vader gesturely atomized a Storm Trooper beneath his armor:
http://i.imgur.com/fzpJ7N3.jpg
*But again: that showing isn't usable here.

Originally posted by Galan007
deathslash mentioned a good deal of Legends feats in his post. However, Smurph's OP specifies post-Legends, thus the bulk of those feats aren't usable here(if you're unfamiliar, pre/post-Legends denotes a change in SW continuity.)

Anyway, in Legends continuity Vader gesturely atomized a Storm Trooper beneath his armor:
http://i.imgur.com/fzpJ7N3.jpg
*But again: that showing isn't usable here.

oh shit, forgot all about the stips. Here's Vader's canon respect thread then.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/canon-darth-vader-respect-thread-1715394/

He might not be disintegrating people (yet) but he's definitely still impressive. Also, how often does psylocke start her fights with tp/tk?

Does Comic Book Psy have her movie Lightsaber powers?

Psylocke and Vader are actually really similar.

They can predict their opponents moves. Have an undefined degree of TK that is either dominant or barely used. They both tend towards swordfighting and have some serious telepathy.

Originally posted by deathslash
He might not be disintegrating people (yet) but he's definitely still impressive. Also, how often does psylocke start her fights with tp/tk?

She's fighting to the best of her ability. So 100% of the time here.

Going with Vader to win here, as I dont see any reason why he couldnt lift/force choke her to death. Even in HTH, she is good, in my opinion, Vader is better.

Originally posted by DTM
Going with Vader to win here, as I dont see any reason why he couldnt lift/force choke her to death. Even in HTH, she is good, in my opinion, Vader is better.

She's the stronger telekinetic.

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Originally posted by krisblaze
She's the stronger telekinetic.

.......just....