Exar Kun vs Novel Viitate

This: " It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters." doesn't remotely contradict / address anything about Malak vs Kun, lol.

I'd also love for you to post the questions to those answers too, so people can see what Chee's actually referring to. 👆

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Chee's liking of Cory's post is pretty direct. The user asks, "@HolocronKeeper Mr. Chee I was wondering if you could verify @HernCo opinion on who is more powerful between Malak and Kun?" by which Cory responds, "FWIW I'm still Team Malak!" which Chee then likes. Given the user is specifically asking Chee his thoughts, the like is as blatant of an endorsement as you can get. (https://twitter.com/Sheevysheev66/status/997236045132558338)

Sidious is not the strongest Sith, then.

Originally posted by Geistalt
By what?

By the fact that the Star Forge feeds on your Dark Side connections(weakening you)

The Star Forge itself didn't grant Malak with a Force boost. He siphoned lifeforce from the captured Jedi to do so.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
By the fact that the Star Forge feeds on your Dark Side connections(weakening you)

The Star Forge itself didn't grant Malak with a Force boost. He siphoned lifeforce from the captured Jedi to do so.

If your not strong enough.
Malak however was, to the point where he ran it at 300% Capacity.

"In your terminology, the Star Forge is a tool of the dark side. It corrupts those who use it so that it can generate greater and greater amounts of negative energy to fuel itself. The Builders thought they were strong enough to control this effect, but they were wrong. They became victims of their own creation, and eventually their hatred turned them against each other. Civil war destroyed the Infinite Empire - a lesson to remember. Only one who is immensely strong in mind can harness the power of the Star Forge without suffering a similar fate."

―Ancient Rakata Computer (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)

Yup. Your quote there plainly points out that it feeds on your Force connections and does not amplify them.
And I don't think it was only Malak. It was every darksider, given it siphons Dark Side energy.

Also - the Ancient Terminal clearly points out the mind being strong, not the Force strength. However, Malak failed too. That's why Revan never wanted to seize the Star Forge. He knew it cannot be controlled.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This: " It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters." doesn't remotely contradict / address anything about Malak vs Kun, lol.

I'd also love for you to post the questions to those answers too, so people can see what Chee's actually referring to. 👆

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Chee's liking of Cory's post is pretty direct. The user asks, "@HolocronKeeper Mr. Chee I was wondering if you could verify @HernCo opinion on who is more powerful between Malak and Kun?" by which Cory responds, "FWIW I'm still Team Malak!" which Chee then likes. Given the user is specifically asking Chee his thoughts, the like is as blatant of an endorsement as you can get. (https://twitter.com/Sheevysheev66/status/997236045132558338)

FFS Ant. 😆

Chee directly states in reply that he doessn't deal with absolutes and that they don't have any form of rankings. Something he made clear he took seriously last year when he debunked the Plagueis blurb. This directly contradicts the notion that he had some personal overview of the supplement and therefore makes this a kind of infallible source of Legends canon.

So you're actually suggesting that literally the only reason he liked the post was to 'endorse' Cory's opinion, and not to, say, recognise Cory himself? Despite the fact that, as I previously pointed out, he doesn't support such notions of ranking or infallible statements?

That's the *second* and *seperate* quote, but I'd love to see the question for context. Fact is, statements of X > Y or X > group A are *everywhere* throughout Legends and consistently used by not just everyone else, but also you. It illustrates the depth of your desperation that your attempted rebuttal to The Malak Supremacy article is by saying no quote has any binding influence whatsoever, even regardless of author, quantity of repeated statements, or quality of source.

It is an undeniable fact that Leland Chee and his continuity team reviewed and approved the publication of this quote twice-over, *despite* you being adamant Chee would never approve of any absolutes. Further, besides just a continuity member going through it, which alone makes it canonical, Chee clarifies he also has "personal involvement" in the creation of the article. Worse, it's clear that Liscensing supplied Cory all the information stated in the article, which Chee stated they did every so often, because KOTOR wasn't even out yet.

It's so obviously true that you would easily accept it if it wasn't Exar Kun in question.

Your liking statement makes no sense. Someone literally asks Chee his thoughts. Your version has Chee blatantly showing that he is ignoring their fan question by acknowledging that he read it but not responding to it, lol. Further, obviously Chee would be aware that liking that would make people think it's an endorsement given, you know, they did ask for his opinion and not Cory's.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Yup. Your quote there plainly points out that it feeds on your Force connections and does not amplify them.
And I don't think it was only Malak. It was every darksider, given it siphons Dark Side energy.

We are in agreement that it drains, however one with enough power/mental ability can control/harness the power of the forge instead of being consumed(drained).

"There is no one left with the power to control the Forge, though many have tried. I have watched them be devoured, their life drained from them as they attempt to tap into its power. Knowing what we do of the Builders and their fate, I'm convinced that Revan did not intend us to keep the Star Forge - to use it would mean the end of the Sith... the end of the Force."

―Bastila Shan (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)

But this literally states that it was a Darkside Nexus, which is an object or place that has been imbued with the darkside. doesn't matter if it consumes, Malachor had a similar effect. Which only solidifies it.

"The Star Forge was an enormous space-station/factory that harnessed the power of an entire star. Within its hull was a vast, intricate network of automated machines designed to mass-produce weaponry, droids, and starships. However, it was more than merely a metal construct. Its shadowed cavities were infused with the dark side of Force, endowing it with evil, breathing life."

―Star Wars Databanks: The Star Forge

The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on - and not be consumed by - the power of the dark side.

Source: Chronicles of the Old Republic

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's the *second* and *seperate* quote, but I'd love to see the question for context. Fact is, statements of X > Y or X > group A are *everywhere* throughout Legends and consistently used by not just everyone else, but also you. It illustrates the depth of your desperation that your attempted rebuttal to The Malak Supremacy article is by saying no quote has any binding influence whatsoever, even regardless of author, quantity of repeated statements, or quality of source.

It is an undeniable fact that Leland Chee and his continuity team reviewed and approved the publication of this quote twice-over, *despite* you being adamant Chee would never approve of any absolutes. Further, besides just a continuity member going through it, which alone makes it canonical, Chee clarifies he also has "personal involvement" in the creation of the article. Worse, it's clear that Liscensing supplied Cory all the information stated in the article, which Chee stated they did every so often, because KOTOR wasn't even out yet.

It's so obviously true that you would easily accept it if it wasn't Exar Kun in question.

Your liking statement makes no sense. Someone literally asks Chee his thoughts. Your version has Chee blatantly showing that he is ignoring their fan question by acknowledging that he read it but not responding to it, lol. Further, obviously Chee would be aware that liking that would make people think it's an endorsement given, you know, they did ask for his opinion and not Cory's.

Except his point isn't that the statements are invalid, and neither was mine, merely that such statements aren't binding word of God. They're subjective in nature and are certainly liable when there are paradoxical statements in actual published material made to boot. (Infact, there are so many contradictions that it's almost ridiculous. Especially in the face of Kun's numerous favorable comparisons to Sheev.)

Except you're assuming that he's considering answering at all. It looks to me to be nothing more than him recognising someone who he may have worked with on Twitter. Especially, as I've said before, his track record concerning power levels amongst characters in the mythos.

If the Malak quote isn't binding, then neither is the Kun one from TCSWE that you've been pushing for the last several years. Ergo, Kun loses either way.

Kun dies terribly to the Emperor, even at this point.

Which isn't the point, but I digress. He certainly won't die horribly if Kun's canonical closeness to Sheev has anything to say about it.

> statements aren't binding!
> STATEMENTS ABOUT EXAR KUN GIVE HIM CANONICAL CLOSENESS TO SHEEV

Pick one, plz.

Originally posted by MythLord
> statements aren't binding!
> STATEMENTS ABOUT EXAR KUN GIVE HIM CANONICAL CLOSENESS TO SHEEV

Pick one, plz.

Vitiate<Exar kun<DE Sidious=SF Malak<Novel Revan<TPM Mace<ROTS Sidious<DE Sidious.

Why debate, might as well have them all at the same level. And leave it at that kek.

Or maybe, just fvcking maybe, Exar Kun's power was retconned?

So now it goes Exar Kun < Malak < Revan < TPM Mace < Yoda < RotS Sidious < DE Sidious

The fact that you guys seem to think every character has this "fixed-in" position in the hierarchy is lol-worthy. The only one who is definitely not moving is Sidious, from the top spot. The rest can all be interchangable if new evidence is brought to light.
And guess the fvck what: the evidence points to Malak being > Kun.

Originally posted by MythLord
Or maybe, just fvcking maybe, Exar Kun's power was retconned?

So now it goes Exar Kun < Malak < Revan < TPM Mace < Yoda < RotS Sidious < DE Sidious

The fact that you guys seem to think every character has this "fixed-in" position in the hierarchy is lol-worthy. The only one who is definitely not moving is Sidious, from the top spot. The rest can all be interchangable if new evidence is brought to light.
And guess the fvck what: the evidence points to Malak being > Kun.

Lol, i'm insinuating, taking everything at face value, winds up with massive contradictions.

So I made a joke.

'Retconned'

>Provides fvck all evidence to claim the trove of quotes are retconned.

Not that any of you have even gotten the point. Trying to use Chee as a means of validating the quote is clearly not a legitimate course of logic when he himself has a track record of debunking power rankings between characters. And no, likes on Twitter aren't evidence of anything.

The evidence points to Malak being sub-Ulic, nevermind Kun.

All the evidence I need is the quote, which Chee's involvement in confirms its canonicity.

Except Chee's involvement is pure speculation when we have two instances of him disowning power levels in their entirety.

You've still yet to provide any proof for why Exar Kun's numerous quotes placing him near Palpatine are somehow retconned.