Exar Kun vs Novel Viitate

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The SWTORE isn't actually described as having been written by historians to my knowledge. On the other hand it's labelled as the "definitive guide to the epic conflict", so I'm going to have to disagree with you. 🙁

Well, I'd assume, given that it describes historical events, that it would be written by a historian, or at least a historian provided the information that was used to write the book.

Where is it described as a "definitive guide"?

EDIT: Okay, on the cover. I'll concede the point, then.

FYI: TCSWE is indeed described as having been written by historians, but these historians are detailed as omniscient.

I think Nai debunked that a while back.

The TORE doesn't really say it is written by historians, I've looked can't find. Though it does say that it's written for the time period as the Author's note says along the lines it explores the TOR era before the game itself and that history shapes the future.

If that's what's being discussed.

Originally posted by Azronger
Well, I'd assume, given that it describes historical events, that it would be written by a historian, or at least a historian provided the information that was used to write the book.

Where is it described as a "definitive guide"?

EDIT: Okay, on the cover. I'll concede the point, then.

I think Nai debunked that a while back.

As for the TSCWE, Nai seems to think that's not the case because it says "In a galaxy where entire planets and billions of sentient beings can be - and frequently are - totally wiped out in a flash, nothing is safe and few things are certain", however that offers far less clarity that the word omniscient. It could be referencing any number of things tbh.

I don't see why TCSWE isn't omniscient, since it refers to a ton of things that historians wouldn't even really know about to begin with.

So does Swtore btw.

Originally posted by TheMuser
Wollf, I am pretty sure you are missing the obvious. They were with their mother before going to Arca, they lived on alderaan with her, where she taught them about everything save the force. They had never gone to the temple because they had zero training before going to arca, which would not be true if they had ever been to the temple. And Arca, Again, was not at the temple, and there is no reason to assume they had ever been there.

Also, while that may have been an example of one exception due to odd circumstances, I'm relatively certain I can find other examples given time, point being, this quote is not a be all end all.

Sorry, that TPM quote about walking the halls of the temple does not apply.

If you're with your mother, and your mother's a Jedi, you can both be in the Jedi Temple, lmao. That doesn't disprove sh!t. He's native to Alderaan, but he still would've had to go to the Temple for several reasons: the approval of the Council, at least part of his Jedi Initiate training, the fact that all the Jedi have to pass the final trial there, etc.

The quote applies. 👆

Though I'll concede assuming I get a quote that they were never taught the Force until they met Arca.

Originally posted by MythLord
If you're with your mother, and your mother's a Jedi, you can both be in the Jedi Temple, lmao. That doesn't disprove sh!t. He's native to Alderaan, but he still would've had to go to the Temple for several reasons: the approval of the Council, at least part of his Jedi Initiate training, the fact that all the Jedi have to pass the final trial there, etc.

The quote applies. 👆

Though I'll concede assuming I get a quote that they were never taught the Force until they met Arca.

I am pretty sure this will clear things up, Tales of the jedi companion is teh source

Ah, fair enough on that.

I suppose I shall thank member Beniboybling for knocking some sense into member Azronger.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he_[Exar Kun]_was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

The most powerful and dangerous of all the Sith Lords, Exar Kun
- The Official Star Wars Fact File #1

Kun takes sabers
Vitiate the rest.

Kun wins

novel Vitiate > novel Revan > KotOR Revan > Star Forge Darth Malak > Exar Kun

It's the other way around.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Star Forge Darth Malak < KotOR Revan < novel Revan < novel Vitiate </= Exar Kun

Quotes?

The entire SF Malak > Kun quote has been thoroughly debunked.

By what?

"I don't know for sure but I would imagine that there are no hard and fast lists about which Sith are the most powerful. "Most Powerful" would have lots of different variables to take into account. So it may be best to say that he was simply amongst the most powerful Sith along with Sidious and whoever else there may be. It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters."

"Agreed, us continuity people don't deal in absolutes. Only Sith deal in absolutes. With that said, we'll often need to come up with stats or rankings for gameplay purposes. These are for gameplay purposes only. Stunt coordinato Nick Gillard had his own lightsaber ranking, but even the use of this ranking system is limited because it was only the major characters from the prequel films that he ranked. We never expanded on that ranking system." - Leland Chee

The entire claim that Chee had some purview over the web supplement that he personally maintained is debunked by an actual quote from the man himself. Clearly stating that they don't do 'Darth Vader is more powerful than X.' rankings. Therefore attempting to use him to validate the claims made in Cory's web supplement is false.

Moreover, if you want to take Cory personally clarifying his stance as somehow removing the ambiguity of the quote at hand. Then we have claims from actual SW writers Drew and Tom Veitch. Clarifying statements that place Exar Kun above both Revan and Malak, and putting Kun up there with Sheev.

Then if you go into actual lore, we have canonical accolades putting Exar Kun up as the Sith GOAT until we get to SWTOR Tenebrae.

Then we have actual feats, in which Kun utterly humiliates Malak.

AP, that quote was written by Chee in, like, 2006 about Sidious. It's not a response to the Malak vs Kun quote.

Just yesterday, Chee upvoted Cory's tweet saying that he sides with Malak, essentially doubling down on it.

I never stated it was. But that's irrelevant given it's a broad statement. One supported by his direct statement that such statements in far more reputable sources such as the Plagueis blurb are subjective and far from infallible.

He liked it. Because he was tagged by Cory. Which could be for any number of reasons. Not solely to validate your Malak wank.