Ranking the Ancient Sith
So we have one where the Ancient Sith are ranked in order of power, but that's useless if we have no grasp of where they lie in comparison to other characters. So like my "rank these Sith Lords" thread, name the characters that you think are closest to the following:
Ajunta Pall
Karness Muur
Tulak Hord
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Ludo Kressh
Freedon Nadd
Sabers, Force, all-out.
Re: Ranking the Ancient Sith
Originally posted by SunRazer
So we have one where the Ancient Sith are ranked in order of power, but that's useless if we have no grasp of where they lie in comparison to other characters. So like my "rank these Sith Lords" thread, name the characters that you think are closest to the following:Ajunta Pall
Karness Muur
Tulak Hord
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Ludo Kressh
Freedon Nadd
Sabers, Force, all-out.
Ajunta Pall
-Sabers, Force, All-out: I'll assume he's relative to the other Exiles so I'll say Karness Muur and Vong Krayt in all.
Karness Muur
-Sabers, Force, all-out: Vong Krayt and (possibly) Ajunta Pall
Tulak Hord
-No idea, tbh
Marka Ragnos
-No idea, tbh
Naga Sadow
-Ludo Kressh in all
Ludo Kressh
-Naga Sadow in all
Freedon Nadd
-Sabers: No idea, tbh
-Force: Ulic Qel-Droma and Novel Vitiate
-All-out: Ulic Qel-Droma
Re: Ranking the Ancient Sith
Ajunta Pall:
Force: Karness Muur, Darth Krayt, Darth Vader.
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Karness Muur:
Force: Ajunta Pall, Darth Krayt, Darth Vader
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Tulak Hord:
Force: Krayt Reborn
Sabers: Count Dooku
Marka Ragnos:
Force: Krayt Reborn
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Freedon Nadd:
Force: Revan Reborn
Sabers: Darth Maul
Not ranking 'sabers for the most, and mainly my gut feeling tbh.
Ajunta Pall
Sabers: Around Muur?
Force: Karness Muur, maybe slightly above.
All-Out: Muur, Dooku
Karness Muur
Sabers: Mara Jade (?)
Force: Ajunta Pall, Dooku, Windu
All-Out: Ajunta Pall, Dooku, Mace Windu
Tulak Hord
Sabers: Darth Maul [?]
Force: Dooku [?]
All-Out: Arcann [?]
Marka Ragnos
More or less no Idea.
Force: Above Dooku, below Vader. DNT Jacen?
All-Out: Same?
Naga Sadow
Force: Dooku
All-Out: Galen Marek
Freedon Nadd
Ssme as Marka.
Ludo Kressh
Force: Above Darth Maul - around Wyyrlok, maybe.
All-Out: Maul [?]
Ajunta Pall - Probably slightly below RotJ Vader-level.
Karness Muur - Probably slightly below RotJ Vader-level.
Tulak Hord - Not sure. Skill-wise, he possibly approaches the upper end of level 8's (ie. Dooku/Mace) and is probably at least on par with Maul, but his power is harder to judge.
Marka Ragnos - Around Vader-level? Probably close to Reborn Krayt, which would put him above Vader.
Naga Sadow - Above Maul but probably below Dooku. Definitely below Vader.
Ludo Kressh - Around Maul. Possibly even stronger in the Force, but not as high-up in other areas.
Freedon Nadd - Between Dooku and Vader in Force. Likely below but comparable to Maul and Obi-Wan as a swordsman.
Kressh contorting giant statues with a clenched fist and being so powerful that his Tomb (which his life force still haunts per the Prima Guide) literally prevents people who aren't strong enough in the Force (including, for instance, Visas) from even setting foot inside. Note that you can play dark side and Visas can be amped by Korriban and still not be strong enough to enter. This all being more than a millennium after Kressh's demise.
Sadow's above that, and Ragnos is apparently much more powerful than Sadow. Granted, Sadow may have grown in the years since Ragnos' Funeral, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest that he made up that difference.
There's also a couple of other things for Sadow (ie. being so strong in the Force that he could sustain himself for six centuries, and his own Tomb after over a millennium is able to drive Barel Ovair half-insane - Ovair being powerful enough to conceal his dark sided nature from the entire Jedi Order and stand in the Jedi Council Chamber unexposed) and by proxy, Ragnos.
Originally posted by SunRazerBecause Korriban is a dark side nexus, and Sith temples were designed to focus and augment that power. So I guess you've proved Kressh had good contractors? Lmfao. 🙂
Kressh contorting giant statues with a clenched fist and being so powerful that his Tomb (which his life force still haunts per the Prima Guide) literally prevents people who aren't strong enough in the Force (including, for instance, Visas) from even setting foot inside. Note that you can play dark side and Visas can be amped by Korriban and still not be strong enough to enter. This all being more than a millennium after Kressh's demise.
Sure, there are circumstances, but that doesn't change the fact that it's proof of immense power on Kressh's part. If I took it literally, Kressh would be infinitely more powerful than Maul, not just around his level. As for the nexus, again, Visas can be dark-sided and thus amped by Korriban and still can't even set foot in the Tomb.
The fact that it's explicitly noted as being Kressh's life force in the Tomb is a big plus.
Ignoring critical contexts =/= taking it literally kek. But no, even if you were to be grossly disingenuous, all you'd prove is Kressh is a lot stronger than the Dark Jedi who created that Cave of Evil on Dagobah. 🙂
On the other hand, Maul's mere presence on Naboo left a dark stain in the Force felt by Leia three decades later. I find that more impressive.
Seems like Maul's anguish at being struck down would be more likely to leave behind a remainder than him passing an area. That's also Canon, not Legends.
That being said, there are places that simply reflect Force energy and bypassers leave behind impressions.
Sure, Kressh's Tomb had artifacts amping the potency of his life force and what not, but it was still infinitely more powerful than Maul's stain on Naboo.