Ranking the Ancient Sith

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Ranking the Ancient Sith

So we have one where the Ancient Sith are ranked in order of power, but that's useless if we have no grasp of where they lie in comparison to other characters. So like my "rank these Sith Lords" thread, name the characters that you think are closest to the following:

Ajunta Pall

Karness Muur

Tulak Hord

Marka Ragnos

Naga Sadow

Ludo Kressh

Freedon Nadd

Sabers, Force, all-out.

Re: Ranking the Ancient Sith

Originally posted by SunRazer
So we have one where the Ancient Sith are ranked in order of power, but that's useless if we have no grasp of where they lie in comparison to other characters. So like my "rank these Sith Lords" thread, name the characters that you think are closest to the following:

Ajunta Pall

Karness Muur

Tulak Hord

Marka Ragnos

Naga Sadow

Ludo Kressh

Freedon Nadd

Sabers, Force, all-out.

Ajunta Pall
-Sabers, Force, All-out: I'll assume he's relative to the other Exiles so I'll say Karness Muur and Vong Krayt in all.

Karness Muur
-Sabers, Force, all-out: Vong Krayt and (possibly) Ajunta Pall

Tulak Hord
-No idea, tbh

Marka Ragnos
-No idea, tbh

Naga Sadow
-Ludo Kressh in all

Ludo Kressh
-Naga Sadow in all

Freedon Nadd
-Sabers: No idea, tbh
-Force: Ulic Qel-Droma and Novel Vitiate
-All-out: Ulic Qel-Droma

Large guess-estimations but in general:

Ajunta Pall
Legacy Krayt

Karness Muur
Legacy Krayt

Tulak Hord
Arcann

Marka Ragnos
Arcann

Naga Sadow
Darth Revan

Freedon Nadd
Count Dooku

Ludo Kressh
Darth Maul

Re: Ranking the Ancient Sith

Ajunta Pall:
Force: Karness Muur, Darth Krayt, Darth Vader.
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi

Karness Muur:
Force: Ajunta Pall, Darth Krayt, Darth Vader
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi

Tulak Hord:
Force: Krayt Reborn
Sabers: Count Dooku

Marka Ragnos:
Force: Krayt Reborn
Sabers: Obi-Wan Kenobi

Freedon Nadd:
Force: Revan Reborn
Sabers: Darth Maul

@Azronger - Cheeky ****er, listing Kressh and Sadow for each other. Sadow's stronger, though.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@Azronger - Cheeky ****er, listing Kressh and Sadow for each other. Sadow's stronger, though.

That's because really I have no clue where they fit, cross-era-wise, lol.

Don't know you managed to make judgements on Ragnos but not them. Anyways, I'll update my Kressh thread soon. And Sadow's definitely > Kressh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Don't know you managed to make judgements on Ragnos but not them.

Originally posted by Azronger
Marka Ragnos
-No idea, tbh

mmm

Welp, my bad.

Not ranking 'sabers for the most, and mainly my gut feeling tbh.

Ajunta Pall
Sabers: Around Muur?
Force: Karness Muur, maybe slightly above.
All-Out: Muur, Dooku

Karness Muur
Sabers: Mara Jade (?)
Force: Ajunta Pall, Dooku, Windu
All-Out: Ajunta Pall, Dooku, Mace Windu

Tulak Hord
Sabers: Darth Maul [?]
Force: Dooku [?]
All-Out: Arcann [?]

Marka Ragnos
More or less no Idea.
Force: Above Dooku, below Vader. DNT Jacen?
All-Out: Same?

Naga Sadow
Force: Dooku
All-Out: Galen Marek

Freedon Nadd
Ssme as Marka.

Ludo Kressh
Force: Above Darth Maul - around Wyyrlok, maybe.
All-Out: Maul [?]

Fairly agreeable. I'm open to the possibility that Hord approaches Dooku and Mace as a swordsman, but the Ancient Sith's skill levels are almost entirely up to personal imagination. It'd be near-impossible to prove or disprove that they're definitively at a certain level.

Ajunta Pall - Probably slightly below RotJ Vader-level.

Karness Muur - Probably slightly below RotJ Vader-level.

Tulak Hord - Not sure. Skill-wise, he possibly approaches the upper end of level 8's (ie. Dooku/Mace) and is probably at least on par with Maul, but his power is harder to judge.

Marka Ragnos - Around Vader-level? Probably close to Reborn Krayt, which would put him above Vader.

Naga Sadow - Above Maul but probably below Dooku. Definitely below Vader.

Ludo Kressh - Around Maul. Possibly even stronger in the Force, but not as high-up in other areas.

Freedon Nadd - Between Dooku and Vader in Force. Likely below but comparable to Maul and Obi-Wan as a swordsman.

What's Ragnos', Sadow's, and Kressh ranking based on, Nova?

Kressh contorting giant statues with a clenched fist and being so powerful that his Tomb (which his life force still haunts per the Prima Guide) literally prevents people who aren't strong enough in the Force (including, for instance, Visas) from even setting foot inside. Note that you can play dark side and Visas can be amped by Korriban and still not be strong enough to enter. This all being more than a millennium after Kressh's demise.

Sadow's above that, and Ragnos is apparently much more powerful than Sadow. Granted, Sadow may have grown in the years since Ragnos' Funeral, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest that he made up that difference.

There's also a couple of other things for Sadow (ie. being so strong in the Force that he could sustain himself for six centuries, and his own Tomb after over a millennium is able to drive Barel Ovair half-insane - Ovair being powerful enough to conceal his dark sided nature from the entire Jedi Order and stand in the Jedi Council Chamber unexposed) and by proxy, Ragnos.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kressh contorting giant statues with a clenched fist and being so powerful that his Tomb (which his life force still haunts per the Prima Guide) literally prevents people who aren't strong enough in the Force (including, for instance, Visas) from even setting foot inside. Note that you can play dark side and Visas can be amped by Korriban and still not be strong enough to enter. This all being more than a millennium after Kressh's demise.
Because Korriban is a dark side nexus, and Sith temples were designed to focus and augment that power. So I guess you've proved Kressh had good contractors? Lmfao. 🙂

Sure, there are circumstances, but that doesn't change the fact that it's proof of immense power on Kressh's part. If I took it literally, Kressh would be infinitely more powerful than Maul, not just around his level. As for the nexus, again, Visas can be dark-sided and thus amped by Korriban and still can't even set foot in the Tomb.

The fact that it's explicitly noted as being Kressh's life force in the Tomb is a big plus.

Ignoring critical contexts =/= taking it literally kek. But no, even if you were to be grossly disingenuous, all you'd prove is Kressh is a lot stronger than the Dark Jedi who created that Cave of Evil on Dagobah. 🙂

On the other hand, Maul's mere presence on Naboo left a dark stain in the Force felt by Leia three decades later. I find that more impressive.

Kressh's life force staining his tomb for millennia >> 🙂

Seems like Maul's anguish at being struck down would be more likely to leave behind a remainder than him passing an area. That's also Canon, not Legends.

That being said, there are places that simply reflect Force energy and bypassers leave behind impressions.

Sure, Kressh's Tomb had artifacts amping the potency of his life force and what not, but it was still infinitely more powerful than Maul's stain on Naboo.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Kressh's life force staining his tomb for millennia >> 🙂
Fan fiction. 🙂